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fireisyummy
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Was he just trying to throw off P&T who didn't fall for it like we all did?
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On May 9, 2016, Saturn UK wrote:


The first spectator signs the card live and has not signed any cards before the performance and is not a stooge, neither is the second and they have not signed anything before either.


call me suspicious, but I don't get why you split that up and made a distinction between the two.

"neither is the second and they have not signed anything before either"
before when?
before the show, or before the proper performance starts and the camera's are rolling?
stooge is a loose term, specs are not always aware that they are a stooge, preshow can be done days, weeks before, but it can also be done 'on the fly' just before the proper performance
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It was just the way I wrote it, I was answering the question about spectator 1 and then added that 2 was also not a stooge etc.

The whole act is performed with no stooges instant or otherwise and the card is signed only once as you can see in the performance and the spectators have not signed any cards beforehand.

I can't be more clear than this without telling you how he does it!

I can only add that for the price if you want to learn the methods behind the act and want to copy it for private parties etc or make your own routine it will be money well spend and the very hard to make/ find gimmicks are supplied for you.

The release date is approaching and as a bonus we are giving away a free copy of Advanced Card Moves Made Easy with every copy as well as offering free worldwide shipping, so wherever you are you can take us up on this offer!

Check it out here http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/d......ick.html
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Money well spent? Give me a break. Great salesman pitch, Mark.
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I have seen two versions of this routine online. the penn and teller version where it is clearly a duplicate signature and the Second performance on Shin Lim's YouTube that when examined it's obvious that this is also a duplicate signature as well (but a very clever one). I can't comment on what he performed at fism as there was no video and I won't speculate. but that being said this does not mean (in the two performances on-line) that the spectator was necessarily involved in pre-show or signed another card in advance. They could have been instant stooged as well and if so hats off to Shin Lim he seems to have some clever thinking in regards to signatures and I would guess he would cover all of these options in the explanation of the act.

That being said as I have stated earlier I no problem with this technique in performance if that what you have to do to pull off a miracle go for it. but people buying an act should go in with their eyes open and think if such technique will work for them and their performing inviroment.
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FWIW, Shin's mother, Mabel, insists that there are no stooges used in this routine. She finds the notion highly insulting to her son. I asked, and that's what she told me.
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Come on people, no stooges, instant stooges, or pre-show is done in any way. Not because it has fooled you, doesn't mean he's using stooges. There are a couple of methods in my mind without deep thinking that can EASILY accomplish all this. Seriously.

If I ever get this, this would be the most curious part of the routine for me, I loved it !
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I loved it too, and really the focus on stooges is wrong, the focus should be on the dupes.
Sorry his mum is upset, but show business is tough, especially when you are selling 'secrets' to the masses at considerable expense and they like to know to some degree what they are paying for.
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LOL

Whole page of people arguing if Lim is using dupes and stooges or not... Its clear that he is not. There are other methods and you simply arent familiar with em... I assume that those same people are the ones in Priceless topic hyping; "I don't HAVE AN IDEA HOW IT WORKS" Smile

That said, I don't understand why one would want to buy this to perform any or parts of it but Lim isn't the first one to publish his FISM act by any means. Tons of people have published their winning acts during the years. One can learn quite a bit by seeing how winning acts in the past have been constructed but for that information alone this is rather expensive. However if one really would like to use this or parts of it in their professional work then this is cheap and that opinion is from someone who has participated into multiple Armando Lucero workshops and I feel that they were well worth it.

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Apparently some people's definition of stooge is a lot more narrow than mine.
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To me, this whole argument about stooges and dupes just goes to demonstrate how well Shin has done with this routine. If you're at the point of inventing stooges to explain it, you're wonderfully fooled and should just admit it. Smile
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To me, this whole argument about stooges and dupes just goes to demonstrate how well Shin has done with this routine. If you're at the point of inventing stooges to explain it, you're wonderfully fooled and should just admit it. Smile


Amen Smile (Y) ! I definetly saw the whole "act on sale" thing coming just like 52 Shades of red, both versions of them.
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Assuming the concept is published before. Can anyone PM me any DVDs or books that explain the "multiple signature" thing ? Thanks.
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I think it's from the DVD Fraud which teaches you how to dup a signature right in front of people. I sure hope it's not like that. I also hope you don't need anyone under that big table signing cards.
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New studies have shown that e-cigarettes actually do cause cancer.

I would stay away from this product for those who care about their health.
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To me, this whole argument about stooges and dupes just goes to demonstrate how well Shin has done with this routine. If you're at the point of inventing stooges to explain it, you're wonderfully fooled and should just admit it. Smile


yeah, shame shins mom got all upset then eh??
we will find out the truth soon enough Smile
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Money well spent? Give me a break. Great salesman pitch, Mark.


You should know by now that I don't hype or push anything I don't believe in.

I could name a few dealers that come on here all the time just to sell at any cost pushing items that are total rubbish, I like to think I am more selective in my posts and speak truthfully about items I post about.

If you like the act this is a good release and I do believe it is good value for money for the teaching and props provided.
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Killing cells in a petri dish proves very little, otherwise clinical trials would not be needed, studies set out to prove things, its how they get funded. the results of those studies are often biased towards the results they were after, to get more funding, hence the reason they always state that more research is needed, sir robin murray is prime example, the likes of the daily mail care less about the truth than they do about their agenda.
the anti smoking lobby hate e-cigs, not because they are dangerous, but because they just hate the fact that people want and choose to use them.
thinking that occasionally using a nicotine free vape pen will lead to cancer is a stretch based on the scientific studies done so far.
i'm not a biologist or pharmacologist, but I did qualify at the RCS in london, does that count ? Smile
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Killing cells in a petri dish proves very little, otherwise clinical trials would not be needed, studies set out to prove things, its how they get funded. the results of those studies are often biased towards the results they were after, to get more funding, hence the reason they always state that more research is needed, sir robin murray is prime example, the likes of the daily mail care less about the truth than they do about their agenda.
the anti smoking lobby hate e-cigs, not because they are dangerous, but because they just hate the fact that people want and choose to use them.
thinking that occasionally using a nicotine free vape pen will lead to cancer is a stretch based on the scientific studies done so far.
i'm not a biologist or pharmacologist, but I did qualify at the RCS in london, does that count ? Smile


The very first tests done to prove that smoking was injurious to health back in the 1940s started out as little more than killing cells in petri dishes like this study has done. From little acorns, big oak trees grow!

FYI - I am neither anti-smoking; nor in favour of it. I am just a guy who knows how to sift scientific research and spot the strengths and weaknesses. Why? Because I have professional training at Doctoral level. I gained my PhD from St. Chad's College, Durham (UK). What I see in this study - as meagre as it is - is some quite alarming evidence which contradicts the rest of the research that concludes vaping is not that serious of a health risk. It may turn out to be unfounded. It may not. That is for future research to determine. But to pick-and-choose your internet sources, favouring one over the other because it reinforces what you want to believe, is not scientific.
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I think it's from the DVD Fraud which teaches you how to dup a signature right in front of people. I sure hope it's not like that. I also hope you don't need anyone under that big table signing cards.


May I know who created this DVD please because I'm having a hard time finding it. Thank you Smile
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