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Making your own is an easy affair. Did that years ago after buying the original from Guy Camirand.
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You can only purchase the original from here.

http://www.camirandmagic.com/rt_025.html
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I just wish that the magic community was as passionate about stopping piracy and exposure on YouTube Etc. as it is on knocking magicians that are trying to enhance our trade. I do understand the points that are being made. However, if we put as much passion into stopping exposure we would all benefit. Just my thoughts.
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Please explain how to prevent exposure on YouTube? I'm all ears.
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On May 31, 2016, pegasus wrote:
You can only purchase the original from here.

http://www.camirandmagic.com/rt_025.html

Although the Camirand web store is archived, it's dead.

See the note from Camirand here:
http://www.camirandmagic.com
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I just wish that the magic community was as passionate about stopping piracy and exposure on YouTube Etc. as it is on knocking magicians that are trying to enhance our trade.


Exposure on Youtube by 14 year olds, and the concept of an established magician releasing another magicians effect without permission are concepts so dissimilar, they really can't be discussed in the same thread.

Your belief that magicians who release other magicians effects without permission somehow "enhances our trade" further makes rational discussion all but impossible.
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Artie as I stated "just my thoughts" 😉
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Artie as I stated "just my thoughts" 😉


Well it sure sounded impressive
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I was visiting a magic buddy and he hands me a DVD case and says "here, I'll never use this why don't you take it?"
It's a product called Polarity, which I had never heard of. He said it's a card effect and uses a gaffed deck. From the name I thought maybe it was some kind of color change or perhaps a moving hole effect.
Well, it was neither of those. I watched the DVD and looked over the deck and I have to say that I was disappointed.

Not that it's a bad trick, it's okay. But IMO there are hundreds of stronger card effects and I certainly wouldn't carry around a gaffed deck just to do this single trick, which can be pretty much replicated with sleight of hand. BTW, I am not familiar with the Proton deck so can't compare it directly to that.

But like I said, it's an okay trick. It utilizes 2 standard methods that combine to create the effect and for the price they're asking it's really not too bad of a deal. But it's not so much the effect that disappointed me. It was the instructional video.

Reading over this thread Pablo congratulates Chris on doing an exceptional job on the video. Oh c'mon now, really????
OMG, it was horrible. I thought it was one of the worst videos I've seen produced by a major magic retailer and it appeared everyone involved really didn't care about it but just wanted to crank it out quickly. I'm not referring to problems with the picture or audio quality, those were fine, it was the actual explanation that was very poorly done.

But I don't really blame Chris or Pablo. It looked to me like Chris may have been thrown into the project at the last minute. Murphy's may have handed him the deck and some notes and said "we're taping this tomorrow and you have to teach it so learn this trick quickly". That's how it came across to me anyway. Pablo is nowhere to be seen on the entire video, perhaps because of language issues but I don't know, so Chris attempted to convey Pablo's thoughts. I say attempted because I don't think he succeeded very well.
Pablo mentions in this thread about adding new "thematics". Well, I think that is a bit of stretch, I'd say it's a modified storyline and patter and I'm not really sure it's even all that new. But it's hard to tell for sure because Chris doesn't seem to fully understand what Pablo's version is other than it involves positive thinking. I doubt he's even seen it, he just seems to be reciting what was told to him.

Now the trick is fairly self-explanatory so a detailed video isn't really necessary for a moderately experienced magician, but that's not the point. It's the principle. I'm just tired of seeing these thrown together projects. Chris flashes many times, gets confused, has lots of verbal gaffs...all the tell-tale signs of someone who really doesn't perform the trick or have a thorough familiarity with it. But regardless, it would have been a simple matter to edit these things out, or spend 60 seconds reshooting a couple things.

There is a bonus idea which is a new (maybe?) version of an old method. But could that explanation have possibly been done any worse or made to sound any more complicated? I don't think so. It looked exactly as it would if you quickly taught it to someone and then asked THEM to immediately record a video explanation of it, which seems to be what happened because Chris really didn't seem to understand it and you could almost see his relief every time he turned over a card and it was the correct one. He also attempted to explain a subtlety that Pablo apparently suggests as a transition from the bonus effect into Polarity but he obviously missed the point of it and I'm almost certain he explained it incorrectly because he didn't seem to understand what Pablo was trying to do with it. If not, then it simply didn't make sense.

Plus, the bonus material doesn't really tie in with the polarity effect. The bonus is more of a method than an effect and they don't bother giving you many ideas of how to use it, just naming a card a spectator cuts to and then following with Polarity. Again, had all the appearances of something tagged on to try and add some value. Not a "killer 2 phase routine" in my book.

But here's the worse blunder of all IMO. I mentioned this trick uses 2 methods. Chris explains one of the methods (which is extremely simple) but he explains it ad nauseum. I mean he goes on and on about it. But the second (more complicated) method he doesn't explain at all. He says quickly "the faces of the deck are XXX" (I don't want to expose anything so I'm not mentioning it by name) but never says what that is, what it does, how it's used, nothing, nada. If fact, he never mentions it again.
That should never have gotten past the editor. But again, speed rather than quality seemed to be the priority with this project. And again, most magicians will understand it, but if you're a beginner you would be totally confused.

So, an okay trick with nothing really new added that I could see, along with a seemingly thrown together video. But of course this is only my opinion. Others may think it's the greatest thing ever.
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Why would you carry a fully gimmicked deck for this effect? I do like the effect, but there are lots of ways to accomplish the same effect with a regular deck of cards.
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Why would you carry a fully gimmicked deck for this effect? I do like the effect, but there are lots of ways to accomplish the same effect with a regular deck of cards.


Hi lord_wallmotto

That argument can be applied to any effect really when there is a gimmicked version. I use this and also ungimmicked impromptu handlings. All depends in the goals that you want to achieve.
Sometimes I want to do a completely hands off handling and I use Polarity, other times I use other approaches. It is always to know options and develop a proper criteria to select your options depending your context.


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Amira rocks!! Smile
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My gosh! Reading this thread has been exhausting! However, thoroughly convinced not to order this and put the same energy and time it took to read this into finding the Proton deck that I have buried somewhere in my magic cave.
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World Magic Reviewed this today. Take a look.


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Interesting review, thanks for posting.

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Sorry guys, but I don't have much time to answer so much questions about it. My closed answer to Artie´s question is : "Yes"

If you want to get the original "Proton Deck", do it. It is a great Ed Marlo´s idea and for sure Camirand´s product will be quality for your money.
If you want to support Murphy´s and our efforts to bring this to different levels, buy Polarity in your favorite magic dealer.

Again, I don't have too much time to talk now in this forums but I will be happily discuss with the interested one privately.

All the best!
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Cool trick. I hadn't heard of the Proton deck before. So I'd like to thank Pablo Amira for reintroducing it. There's a value in revisiting good material, even classic material. I hear Dan Harlan is doing Tarbell.
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World Magic Reviewed this today. Take a look.




I have to agree, I'd prefer to use an invisible deck.
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Brutal thread. I guess I won't put out my version of the kaleidoscope deck.

No one would do that, right?
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An excellent post PWRIS.
You really have to chuckle at some of the self-righteous posters on this and other threads who can't wait to wade in with their thoughts and ideas of what other people could / should / would have done if it was them. Most of them have never produced or sold a magic trick or effect in their life and probably never will. I would hazard a guess that most of the 'know it all's - who know nothing' have never performed magic even at a semi professional level but are most forthcoming in telling other people what and where they have gone wrong.

From what I can see Amira has never claimed to invented the effect. He has credited previous work, he has attempted to answer every question thrown at him in an open, transparent, honest and fair way and and he has not dodged the issue or ran for hills which is more than can be said for a lot off other people who sell magic effects when the heat comes on.

As for 'Magicians Helping Magicians' - don't make me laugh!
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