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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
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On May 30, 2016, SmileAndNod wrote: Thanks for all the good comments guys. Nod, you make a good point here…And yes I do a lot of what you suggest in doing this stuff "live" for people. But when I do it for the camera (usually by myself), I know that people are able to stare via the video at things, and rewind and watch again and again…So, since I know/I feel what I'm doing, I more so watch out at them and respond to their responses, or at least how I think they would respond…If that makes sense? I'm very casual when I present, conversational even. Having all my ducks in a row as to the sleights, just gives me the greater opportunity pick up on visual cues from the specs that I might ad-lib to, as you see me do when I produce the coin from the bagless purse -- I know they are watching that and don't have to point to it, I just have to play off it…It's like I know what they're feeling, like "WTF!"…:D But I do appreciate your very thoughtful suggestions and good ideas as to this & that here, that I can see work very well for the way you like to routine & present your magic…There is no verbal conversation and physical cues do then add tremendously to what you're trying to bring across… which incidentally, you bring across quite well. Thanks again guys.
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Dollarbill Inner circle Colorado 1005 Posts |
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On May 31, 2016, Mb217 wrote: That was so good I had to go back and hit it again! Ha! Nice Mb. Ok back to the thread. |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
A couple of quick thoughts:
1) Depending on the coins, you might be able to tell which is which from the reeding on the side of the coin. Or, if you use one of those neat pocket subdividers, you can separate your coins more easily. 2) It's been touched on slightly, but again depending on the coins, some might have magnetic properties. Depending on how surrounded you are, you could put something special in your back pocket and use that as a temporary holdout to get/hide a coin for a small portion of your routine. It means you don't have to go *all* the way into the pocket and it's much easier/faster to do in an off beat. 3) Agreed, I love your work, MB. What coins were those? I didn't recognize the one with a hole. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Thanks again guys, and hope it lends a little thought and possibility to what Wilktone is trying to do here.
*Oh, and tons... The coin I used in "Me & My Hat" was a dollar-size, brass Chinese coin, one of my most favorite coins to use, made by an old friend and talented craftsman.
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obrienmagic Special user 752 Posts |
I solved that very same problem by introducing a foreign object into the routine (in this case a lighter.) You can do what Michael has suggested and use the purse, sharpie, wand, etc to give yourself an excuse to go into your pockets.
Here is my routine and the explanation for it if you are at all interested! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj21xoUrgQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilxGBWE-q2U
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Very nice routines ob…
I like the simpler stuff. It's always been amazing to me how the basic sleights have been best. Your play there is something I've been mostly doing for many years now…That's really all it takes to switch things in & out and create miracles. Good job and thanks for sharing such good magic…It's a great bit of magic to learn, not to mention that you teach it really well. Again, "Good job!"
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obrienmagic Special user 752 Posts |
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On Jun 12, 2016, Mb217 wrote: Thank you brother! means the universe to know that! Michael Rubenstein has some brilliant work on this plot as well in his "the Heckler" routine I believe it is. All it takes is knowing how to motivate moves in order to make your effects seemless!
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I will be coming out with a technique that allows to you to ditch once or twice, and to retrieve multiple coins, while wearing shorts and a short sleeve shirt.
I am not trying to advertise this, and it will be cheap because it is part of a routine. But it has been tested. I am not trying to drum up sales or anything, since you don't even know my name or the trick name. But I believe some good things should be coming out in magic in the next few years from different people, allowing us to do what we have wanted to do, in just shorts and a shirt, without using pockets and with minimal setup. I was so desperate to come up with a new way to retrieve coins that I was considering something like a zipper servante, but thought if your misdirection failed, someone would think you are a weirdo. |
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bigfoot Special user 502 Posts |
Yeah but would you call it?
A crotchit? And don't get me started on the "pull" jokes. |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I am thankful you came out with relatively clean remarks about that. Seriously, I was so desperate to come up with a device to ditch and get coins in shorts and a short sleeve shirt, I was thinking of
any solution. |
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Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse Inner circle 1513 Posts |
You could look into hold outs
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Wilktone said:
1. Ditch the coin under heavy misdirection. Not my favorite, but there's one point in the routine where I think I will have to. Sleeving would be an option, but I don't usually wear a jacket. 2. Casually put your hands in your pockets during an off beat between phases. This seems to work really well when spectators are examining the coins. 3. Insert a short coin through pocket phase. I thought this might make for a way to bring another coin into play in the context of a one coin routine, or ditch a hidden coin in the context of a one coin routine. Curtis Kam has a karate coin routine where he uses this idea. 4. Structure it into the trick so that you are putting coins away into your pocket when you need to ditch or palm. I've seen several routines where this is structured in. In one of his video lectures Kainoa Harbottle does something like this on the off beat between tricks by apparently holding onto his "trick coins" while reaching into his pocket and showing the "real coins." When he opens his hand to show the "trick coins" they have disappeared. It's a fun way to get rid of a gaff or sneak another coin into play. _____________________ Of all of your options, number one seems like the best. I have some real solutions to this, which can be done in shorts and a short sleeve shirt, but I have to keep them under the wraps until I release an effect. My experience with using pockets is that the smarter spectators know something is up. They use their pockets to leave or retrieve something. If it is not done undetected by you, but done openly, why wouldn't you be using your pockets for the same normal reasons? duh. I don't even like option 4, even if a big name coin dude does it. It is never wise to use the "trick coin" gag. It might reflect reality, in the spectators' minds, if you hint this to them. |
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Wilktone Loyal user Asheville, NC 258 Posts |
Hi, all.
I wanted to resurrect this topic just to update you on what I've ended up with (so far). Here is a video of me performing it for your critique and suggestions: http://www.wilktone.com/aiur/video/Three......a%29.mp4 The idea of using my ring as a framing device comes from one of Curtis Kam's routines in Palms of Steel 1 (I forget the name of it right now, but his uses a wand). The centerpiece of the routine is Kainoa Harbottle's Triffecta II. I also incorporated ideas from the Gaddabout Coins that Michael Gallo taught in one of the NYCMS volumes. I wanted to be able to do this routine impromptu. Since a lot of routines I can perform require me to take my ring off (I'm left handed) I also wanted to make that part of the routine. I've been using the Pocket Management System to help me keep track of my coins in my pocket now. Since I perform mostly impromptu, I like being able to carry around many coins in one pocket and be able to reach in and more easily grab the specific type of coin (or gaff) I want. Kainoa's site seems to be down just now, but I got the PMS (it is an unfortunate acronym) over there. http://www.kainoaland.com Dave |
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DaveGripenwaldt Elite user 487 Posts |
Regarding what you said ("The "problem" I want to solve is getting one of my silver coins to change into a gold coin (because my wedding ring is gold) and ditch the silver coin to be clean at the end.")....
...could you have the final coin be a C/S coin, except silver on one side and gold on the other? No silver coin to ditch... |
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DaveGripenwaldt Elite user 487 Posts |
Or, why not just use a silver ring instead of your wedding band?
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Wilktone Loyal user Asheville, NC 258 Posts |
Hi, David.
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..could you have the final coin be a C/S coin, except silver on one side and gold on the other? I actually did see that exact gaff in a magic store and bought it. Normally I perform with half dollar sized coins (not the Eisenhower dollars I used in the video). I will have to give it some more thought and look around for a good sleight to make it happen, but it's probably possible to ring it in at the end of the routine here. Quote:
Or, why not just use a silver ring instead of your wedding band? One of my main goals was to be able to do this routine impromptu. I usually wear my wedding band and being left handed, routines that require finger palm get tricky with it on so I usually take it off to perform magic. In an impromptu situation I wanted to be able to make my "magic" wedding ring a framing device in some way. Rather than going for "this gold (or Chinese) coin just turned into my ring" effect in this routine I decided to try presenting it as "the coin is now gone and my ring has appeared." I wonder if the former would be a stronger effect. Any thoughts? Thanks, David. Dave |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
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On Jan 5, 2017, Wilktone wrote: I like it Dave…. It's the kinda magic I like to mostly do for people. I think you did pretty good with this, and using the ring to "ring" in the coin is ideal. I have used my ring many times in effects, and even pulled a coin from the hole of a dollar size chinese coin before as well. You got a good story there around mixing in good things from various coin routines, but the "Gadabout Coins" play plays big for you there, which is why it is a classic effect. Some of the going back & forth got me spinning a little, but your ending going back to the ring is how a good story is best told. In my video earlier in this string, "Me & My Hat," I do this with a coin…I start with it, I end with it. The story all-in-between is put slowly as the magic develops. The phases are clear and no room for the specs not to be able to follow, because I want them too easily. Your back & forth with the 3 coins mostly works pretty well. Maybe streamlining the middle might strengthen the routine even more, but you got the open and close about perfect. Oh, and I think you should keep digging upon the fertile ground you're on, instead of the "gold' thing…not really necessary IMHO though it is an interesting idea, especially if you could figure out how to make it appear as that "in-between" coin (C/S coin). But I think it works quite well with the silver coin coming from your silver ring as you have it, and then the coin(s) returning back to the ring, and you're clean. I think you're going the right way with this…Keep going! Good job man!
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ZachDavenport Inner circle Last time I posted I had one less than 1196 Posts |
I think you need to work out a slightly better patter in the beginning. Spectators don't really care about the coin design. The only other thing I'd suggest is to change your ring into a coin at the beginning. If the ring is in your pocket, the coin changing is more of a transposition which needs you to show where the coin is. If the ring and the coin are one and the same thing, and it just returns to its original form at the end, it just makes for a more satisfying effect in my opinion. Other than that, great routine!
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Wilktone Loyal user Asheville, NC 258 Posts |
Thanks for the kind words and suggestions, Zach and Marion.
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Maybe streamlining the middle might strengthen the routine even more, but you got the open and close about perfect. I think that you are referring to the "wink out" section, which is from Harbottle's "Trifecta" routine. I do get good reactions from spectators that I show that to, but I'm mainly thinking of the young children I work with, not adult spectators. The kids enjoy seeing me struggling to get the magic coins to do what they're supposed to. Maybe I should play around with my presentation of that phase and see if I can't tighten it up. There's a phase in "Trifecta" where you hand "invisible coins" to spectators to hold for you and they hand or toss the coins back to you, where they become visible again. I would normally include that phase, but decided that it didn't play well enough on video for me. I will play around with leaving the "wink out" section out and using the audience participation phase instead when I actually perform it for someone. Quote:
I think you need to work out a slightly better patter in the beginning. Spectators don't really care about the coin design. I'll give this some thought, Zach, but I actually find the opposite with the spectators I usually perform for. Mind you, I really only perform socially, so perhaps they are just being polite. When I perform this with half dollars I have been practicing a coin roll while finger palming a second coin to imply my hands are empty, so I would use a different presentation there. Quote:
The only other thing I'd suggest is to change your ring into a coin at the beginning. If the ring is in your pocket, the coin changing is more of a transposition which needs you to show where the coin is. I see your point, Zach. Putting my ring away is necessary for me so that I can ring in the next coin and gaff, so perhaps an alternate approach would be to change the ending so that the last coin goes back into the ring, vis a vis Portable Hole. As an aside, here is Harbottle performing Trifecta, which is the bulk of what I performed on the video. Dave https://youtu.be/9ivkdbspqK0 |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
I like this topic alot. I think this is where some of the most amusing (to magicians) and creative real work is done in magic. It's really amazing what one can get away with, too, without overthinking. Going for the "magic dust" is one that seems so blatant and yet it works just brilliantly. Much fun, indeed! I like the idea of a thread like this being in the Secret Sessions, too.
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