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What is your issue with banjos?!?! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=geVDGjTYfPA
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On Jun 1, 2016, Karl M wrote:

I sussed it but not going to say it becaus people here give me the banjo about it



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On Jun 14, 2016, Karl M wrote:

I don't know why everyone is giving peter the banjo about it all the time maybe the mouths should release their own stuff and see what its like



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On Jun 16, 2016, Karl M wrote:

You just did reinforce my idea and gave Pete the banjo about his trick



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On Jun 16, 2016, Karl M wrote:

Why is every one giving Rasmuss the banjo? He's just relaeased a trick not a crime



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On Jun 16, 2016, Karl M wrote:

Its driving me mad that every one keeps giving Peter the banjo, leave it out yeah


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Never used it or planned to even show it on gigs , too time consuming . And doing it for table seems not as catchy . I only use this to fool magicians though ... But as a stand alone effect in a single trick DVD ? Er ...
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I learned this effect this last weekend and for a trick that has counting, dealing and shuffling by the spectator, I actually kind of like it. The idea of the butterfly effect has always interested me, that little changes can end up having a massive influence later on. I've worked on casually "shuffling" the deck while talking about the premise. Then a good "shuffle and cutting" sequence that makes assembling the deck seem random and fair. I've taken to putting the reveal on the back of the regular joker on a black post-it note in silver ink.

So far I've gotten good reactions to the trick.
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I just purchased this effect.Looking forward to learning this and performing it.
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I just performed this for a 16-year old kid that I was interviewing for a summer warehouse position. I told him that everything looks good with his application but you'll have to pass one more test..."Do you believe that your outcomes in life (thus far) are more attributed to fate or choices that you made with your own free will?" He replied, fate. "Okay, then, we will use fate to decide each action, but I will give you one free will choice to use at your discretion should you elect to use it." After briefly explaining the procedure we began until he eventually landed on one card. I looked at him and said, "If my prediction matches the same card that you randomly landed on then you've got the job." He nervously turned over the prediction which read, "Fate decided that the card you will land on will be the 5 of spades...Congratulations, you can start Monday!" He looked at me with a BIG bright smile.
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I got the Butterfly Effect in today.I thought it was suppose to come with a pdf. I thought it was going to be on the disk to tell you where to download the pdf. Has anyone else not get the pdf.
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On Jun 20, 2016, mtstic44 wrote:
I got the Butterfly Effect in today.I thought it was suppose to come with a pdf. I thought it was going to be on the disk to tell you where to download the pdf. Has anyone else not get the pdf.


You have to open the disc up on your pc. Then you will find the pdf and be able to print it out 😀
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On Jun 17, 2016, Jared wrote:
I just performed this for a 16-year old kid that I was interviewing for a summer warehouse position. I told him that everything looks good with his application but you'll have to pass one more test..."Do you believe that your outcomes in life (thus far) are more attributed to fate or choices that you made with your own free will?" He replied, fate. "Okay, then, we will use fate to decide each action, but I will give you one free will choice to use at your discretion should you elect to use it." After briefly explaining the procedure we began until he eventually landed on one card. I looked at him and said, "If my prediction matches the same card that you randomly landed on then you've got the job." He nervously turned over the prediction which read, "Fate decided that the card you will land on will be the 5 of spades...Congratulations, you can start Monday!" He looked at me with a BIG bright smile.


You've created an atmosphere there where you're a friend first, boss second. Probably an entertainer third.
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I purchased this. I agree with the comments that this is a "situational" effect. I wouldn't call this mentalism, but rather a curiosity with cards (which I don't think is negative). It is also my recommendation that one use the "Daley-Schartzman" switch and this have both packets shuffled. I agree about the Card on the Joker... Not necessary or even desirable. However, done casually and conversationally, I think this a great situational effect. I say this, even though I abhor counting down effects. This has an air of randomness that is lovely. Situational, but nice!

I leave the crediting to more capable folks out there.

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Thank you Rowland.I can't believe I didn't think of it.Thanks again
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Daley Schartzman switch? Okay, I'll bite, what is this and do you have a source?

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On Jun 21, 2016, Waters. wrote:
I purchased this. I agree with the comments that this is a "situational" effect. I wouldn't call this mentalism, but rather a curiosity with cards (which I don't think is negative). It is also my recommendation that one use the "Daley-Schartzman" switch and this have both packets shuffled. I agree about the Card on the Joker... Not necessary or even desirable. However, done casually and conversationally, I think this a great situational effect. I say this, even though I abhor counting down effects. This has an air of randomness that is lovely. Situational, but nice!

I leave the crediting to more capable folks out there.

Regards,

Sean
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While I cannot offer the original sources off the cuff, here are some recent sources...

Bob Cassidy, Artful Mentalism
Derren Brown, Pure Effect
Looch, Simple and Direct
Marc Spelmann & Peter Nardi, The Project DVD
Me, Wonders

In a first "public performance" (though unpaid) I needed to make use of this. Call it poor audience management or just performing for adolescents. That's all I can say on a public forum. I hope that helps.

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On Jun 21, 2016, Waters. wrote:
I purchased this. I agree with the comments that this is a "situational" effect. I wouldn't call this mentalism, but rather a curiosity with cards (which I don't think is negative). It is also my recommendation that one use the "Daley-Schartzman" switch and this have both packets shuffled. I agree about the Card on the Joker... Not necessary or even desirable. However, done casually and conversationally, I think this a great situational effect. I say this, even though I abhor counting down effects. This has an air of randomness that is lovely. Situational, but nice!

I leave the crediting to more capable folks out there.

Regards,

Sean



I agree on you agreeing! The switch is a great idea, but one thing I bump on is cutting the deck in half to shuffle in the first place. On possibility is the idea of - let's not use the whole deck, it'll take too long. Cut the deck in half, spectator shuffles first half, you then switch, and they shuffle the second half, then you eq******e one half and continue with just using that much of the deck. On the plus side, it justifies splitting the deck into two, one the down side, it reduces the number of "random moments" you have, meaning it cuts down the number of times you turn a card over and use that to determine the next number.
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Just watched this & I like it.

A very old principle but I like what Peter has done with it and like the variations in procedure that he offers. It seems so fair.

To be honest there is no need for the switch. However, it takes only a couple of beats to do it, so if you want to be extra fair, why not.

As Peter says there are a few ideas & you don't have to use the Jokers supplied for the reveal.

Just do the routine when you have that extra time in the right situation. I don't like the idea of just using half the deck as it doesn't(just my opinion) seem as random.

Very happy with the Butterfly Effect.

I will use it in the right situation. Love the idea with the PDF.

Mike Donoghue
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I found this thread to be very interesting and wanted to contribute some thoughts, in the spirit that mature people can have different opinions and still love each other.

1) Theme: the theme of this effect is NOT a prediction. It does not showcases your predicting powers and abilities. It is about the question of Fate vs Choices, and if indeed the choices we make can actually affect the final result or not. So in this particular case the process IS the effect, or the main part which makes it worthwhile. Of course if you want to predict then you wouldn't use such a procedure probably (but then again why use playing cards after all). So keep this in mind before judging this effect as a "bad prediction".

2) Entertainment Potential: I'm very surprised that some performers do not see in this routine entertainment potential. That they would use it for "special occasions". I'm a huge fan of Tamariz and his prodigal son Dani DaOrtiz and I can clearly see them performing this effect, taking at least 10-15 minutes and "bringing down the house" with it. It has tremendous audience participation potential and the fact that the spectator can change his value for any other makes it all much more fun. Of course you would use all the hysteria created in a close up setting to make this much more fun. You PLAY with the spectators and their indecisions, their opinions, etc.

3) The double card. On a first thought I also disliked this but on a second thought - not. HOW you reveal something at the end is very important and is actually part of the effect as well. The worst you could do is just write it in the back of a business card and then just turn it over. Docc Hilford wrote about the importance of having splendid ways to reveal things in his Pearls Magazine (nr. 2 or 3 I think). I'm always looking for new, original and interesting ways to reveal information. Just writing it makes it unoriginal and uncreative. (In a small book I wrote called Subliminal 3 I use an interesting way to reveal a prediction, that in fact becomes the subtext of the routine).

The double card is at least an interesting object. Many people would want to examine it, try to split it, etc. It's a curious thing. The worst thing that could happen is that people would simply ignore it.

We see it as a "gaff" because we are magicians; layman do not know what to see. We see what we expect to see.

How would I use the double card: I would place it in a small envelope (joker side up). At the end I would let the card fall slowly from the envelope. Pause. I let people react, either verbally or in their head. "That's not the card". Then you can go "Jokers are wild" and THEN you turn the card over to show the final revelation. 3 beats instead of 1.

3) Originality: When I first read about the B.E. the first thing that popped into my mind was "this is the Marlo effect". In fact that's the reason I came to this thread, to see what people were saying about this. But so far I understand that the originality problem has been solved. I heard once from Brian Tracy (I forgot the name of the concept) that if an idea is 10% an improvement from a previous idea is already worth it. So even if this is not the most original trick of the world, if it still has original elements, then maybe it's worth it, why not?

I also have the following question: If I know a very good trick published in one of the old magazines, and this effect is really good and reputation making - now, I want to charge you $30 to say what to you what is that trick - is that worth it? I believe it is. So sometimes yes, it may be that someone is publishing an idea that has been published before in a similar way, however, if that idea was not part of the mainstream magic community and now I bring it to everyone's attention, why shouldn't I get a monetary compensation for that? (assuming of course, there are no copywright problems).

4) I find it surprising that Titanas has a way to set up the effect during performance (thus rendering it "impromptu"), and he is somehow related to the release of this effect, and his effect was not included as an "added value". And even if he does not want to release that particular effect right now, but at least it should be pointed out as an option. And I'm sure that it has to be in the literature some effect that will allow you to set up the cards needed for TBE.

Overall this seems like a very good effect and I look forward to obtain this DVD in a near future.

Thank you all for such an interesting discussion of magic.

Good night.
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Excellent points. Especially your thoughts on entertainment value. As Mark Elsdon has said, "The procedure is the entertainment".

I heart the "invisible deck" argument all the time. "If you want to predict a card, just use an invisible deck. It's more direct." But, what about suspense? What about building an effect? Guiding a spectator down down a winding road can be much more entertaining than just saying, "Name a card. Here it is."

And you are correct. This isn't a prediction effect. It's a fate effect. The spectator does the work. There is inherent suspense. It's an interesting and fun trick.
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There have been a few people asking me how I m setting up for the trick, so here it is:

The way I use it and I always try to do it with a borrowed deck when it's possible, I ask them to shuffle the deck, saying I want to try something with you. A full deck has 52 different cards but since we just met I want to use less cards. So I take the deck and remove some cards (seemingly at random but what I am doing is I secretly making my ** card s%#*k) and the forcing card which is the queen of spades (this is also going to be my force on both the pre-effect and the butterfly effect which is going to follow shortly)
I force the queen of spades and now reading them and reveal the queen of spades... Now I take the rest of the cards and place the queen right on the bottom of my s%#*k, throw the rest of the cards on top and mix 6 or 7 cards on the bottom as I say let's try something else (do the butterfly effect)
I hope it makes sense.
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^^^

I like it! Thanks, Titanas. And I also like Maxyedid's idea re: "the joker's wild." Will use (steal Smile ) them both.
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Sorry people but I'm still amazed that so many are still brushing past the facts that have already been raised earlier.

Maxyedid - Your spin on originality is IMHO way off base.

"I also have the following question: If I know a very good trick published in one of the old magazines, and this effect is really good and reputation making - now, I want to charge you $30 to say what to you what is that trick - is that worth it? I believe it is. So sometimes yes, it may be that someone is publishing an idea that has been published before in a similar way, however, if that idea was not part of the mainstream magic community and now I bring it to everyone's attention, why shouldn't I get a monetary compensation for that? (assuming of course, there are no copyright problems)."

If something wasn't created by you irrespective of copyright issues you simply cannot sell this to other people no matter how old the trick is. That's just wrong!! Hopefully common sense? In blunt terms you are stealing someone else's intellectual property. As has been pointed out by many ... Financial gain seems to be the motivation on projects like this and many others.

To repeat from earlier ... all that is being offered here is nothing more than a presentational spin and a way of revealing the card! Everything else is the exact method of Marlo's perfect stop trick. No exact credits given or proper references to the history behind it.

C'mon guys ... this does not warrant an individual release and that £20 could have been better spent supporting the originators and getting more bang for your bucks.
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