But that gets explained in the Paralabs booklet...that comes with the pad...

Wasn't the original carbon version in annemann? Can't remember which original booklet...

Annemann outdone by Carlyle too...

Andd a correction, it may not be in the Paralabs pad booklet, it's been ages since I read it, but it's definitely in their material waaaaaay before this product.

I don't have the parapad, so didn't know that they mentions it.

https://geniimagazine.com/wiki/index.php......_Gimmick

Anyways...

//Dan

1937 annemann mental masterpiece in mental bargain effects I think...

So regardless of ownership, it's really easy to talk with Paralabs, it's just not many have chosen to do so when they've released stuff after Paralabs did...

And that's before we get into custom created m#gn#ts...

People have made good money off of Paralabs initial releases!

Sorry, should say I know annemann is the case, and the other is the card...

I just feel sorry for the first magician to use carbon paper... bet he got zero credit.

Yeah! I agree...would be good to find out who it was...

Sansminds probably.

I have a parapad but when the pens dried up it was too much hassle and expense to get more. So my parapad sits doing nothing. I just do a peek these days with a biz card. There's no extra stuff to maintain.

Parapad is up for sale?

Not sure about Para labs gimmick but this one is only the size of a poker deck playing card so too small for a notebook..

I mean my parawallet is up for sale.

I stumbled across this thread and was drawn to the phrase "the material is used in the medical field" so I am not sure why he needs permission from paralabs.

Because the medical word don't use it in notepads for entertainment. Just like all kinds of objects get repurposed from other worlds and used in different ways in our world.

No one else 'saw' it and then developed it into what PL did, with their attention to detail and quality.

Who did he COPY?

I remember researching this quite a bit when purchasing Psypher. I know I came across Paralabs at some point in my Café journey. Further research lead me to conclude that Paralabs appeared to be the gold standard of impression systems for mentalists.

What seems not to be in dispute here is that Paralabs was first to use an impression material sourced from another industry that is manufactured for a different purpose. It also appears that whoever Lloyd Mobley is discovered the same material Paralabs did, likely searching for quality impression material for the same reason Paralabs did. It also seems clear that Mr. Mobley was completely unaware of Paralabs existence and their prior discovery of the material they now both sell.

If Mr. Mobley did NOT know of the existence of Paralabs then he wasn't knowingly ripping them off. He simply learned through research the same thing Paralabs did. So the only way Mr. Mobley could be ripping off Paralabs is IF Paralabs has a claim to exclusivity due to them being the first to learn that the material manufactured and designed for a different purpose has impression capabilities for mentalists?

In this case, I think the answer is no.

Can the first person to strip the Kyrlon matte/Testor's Dullcote 1260 label and call it roughing spray prevent others from doing so? What about Magician's wax? Magicians repurpose materials intended for other purposes all the time. If I took JandJ mint waxed floss and marketed it as "Premium Gypsy Thread", I don't get to prevent others from repurposing my discover because I happened to be the first to market. I darn sure would keep it a secret. No sense inviting competition.

It would be different if someone ripped off a proprietary formula but that is not what is being alleged. It would be different if Mr. Mobley knew about Paralabs and just tried to copy Paralabs, but he didn't. His discovery was independent and it sounds like he came up with his own (similar) methods for gimmicking the pen and using the material. Good for him.

Paralabs products are established and considered top notch by working pro's. I don't think Mr. Mobleys entrance into an already crowded field of impression devices rips off anyone. Fair competition is good and benefits the consumer, which I am all for. Exercise your free will and vote with your dollars.

The material or it's green brother, are both not for magical purposes. The green stuff was used way back when, I certainly worked with it back in the early 2000's. In a product we released some years ago, we needed this type of material. And after working our way through samples, searching for the best material, we came across the same material that the Parapeople use. It's the natural course of things, if you want to put out a good product and do your homework. So in my mind, Parapeople can't lay claim to that and prevent others from using the same material.

Having said that, their Parapad is brilliant. It's all well and good to have good material, but if you don't have a good peek it's pretty useless.

All the best,
Dan

I don't see how anyone CAN'T be aware of the paralab stuff...

One cannot prove a negative, that is why it is a logical fallacy. Accusations require proof.

Point is even if Mobley did know the what, he didn't know where it came from. If he managed to source it from the same place, good work by him for tracking it down.

Even then, Paralabs still has no claim to exclusivity. Since he wrote up his own work and didn't copy or plagiarize, he's free to sell it as he wishes. The free market at work. Yeah.

I’m late to this discussion but I do own both “ParaPad” and “The Informer,” so I can attest to the fact that the technology used in both appears to be the same yet Mr. Mobley boldly claims his device’s impressions are many times better than ANY other impression device. I think that statement is categorically untrue and may instead be some verification that Mr. Mobley likely didn’t know about ParaPad. Only he himself could answer that, but I agree with others who have commented here that it seems odd he didn’t know. If I came up with a way to use this same material in yet another type of impression device, and I planned to market it, I don’t think I’d need ParaLabs’ permission to use the material but I’d sure as heck at least credit them with being the ones to first use this stuff in an imp device. That assumes, of course, that ParaLabs WAS the first to use this material this way. The point 8s, I would take the time and go to the effort to research it. My main gripe with “The Informer” is that it does not appear Mr. Mobley took the time 9r made that effort. It occurs to me that Mr. Mobley’s rather crude and amateurish video explanation for “The Informer” may be further evidence that this project was rushed to market with little to no attention to background detail. Yes, the video does help the viewer understand how to use the technology to get impressions, but I have to say it’s one of the crappiest video explanations I’ve ever seen. I’m not suggesting Mr. Mobley should have spent thousands having a super-professional video made, but it feels somehow disingenuous to make claims about a high quality device when the explanation video is the polar opposite.

They were not the first to use that TYPE of material in an impression device, they were the first ones to find that "brand". I think its pretty safe to say that Mobley didn't do his research though. A lot of people releasing stuff are afraid to do any research, because it might show the unfortunate fact that your idea isn't new or even good Or they are ask their equally ignorant friend, and that's enough research for them