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Thought folks might want to know that NBC just annouced the air date for the Gerry McCambridge special: Wednesday, May 12 @ 8 PM.

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Thanks, I look forward to seeing it. I just hope we don’t see a masked mentalist on Fox in the following weeks.
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Gerry was very careful to create material that he hoped was exposure proof.

Original material that you cannot go to magic store and buy.
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Original material that you cannot go to magic store and buy.

Good old editing on TV is hard to beat.
Look at the difference when you see Derren perform on the lecture tape compared to his slick TV specials--unrecognisable.

My 2 cent's worth.
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You'll get to see one of the best versions of PK Touches yet. The full routine is excellent, and incredibly well thought out.

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Tom

Don’t forget Derren Brown’s lecture tape was filmed at a magic convention in front of magicians.

A much better comparison would be between the TV series and his recent theatre tour both aimed at the general public. The two are entirely consistent from the consumer’s point of view. He is great on stage showing all the cheeky by play and audience management you would expect combined with very strong effects. The buzz in the bar afterwards amongst none-magicians was the same frank amazement you find in discussions of his TV show.

Gerry’s show was great; I particularly liked the sections with the live audience, you can see why he’s so successful.

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Why is NBC waiting until May when it seems like the rest of the world has already seen it?
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Well, not even the best mindreader will never know what is inside a TV executive’s mind....
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I'm so looking forward to this! Thanks for the news!

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Why is NBC waiting until May to air it?

May is one of the 3 "Sweeps" months....so they obviously believe in the show...and that it will get decent ratings and make the network look good.

Otherwise, they'd "burn it off" during a quiet time, perhaps even the summer doldrums.

And the show IS good. You'll enjoy it. And the public should too.
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On 2004-03-18 03:03, ThomasBerger wrote:

Good old editing on TV is hard to beat.



Tom, I think you'll find that Gerry and his team planned the material firstly, so that someone couldn't go the magic shop the next day and ask for any of the effects or to easily expose it, secondly, that he could replicate most of it in his stage appearances and thirdly so that it was great entertainment.
You'll be impressed when you see it, I was.
(p.s. I think it has been sold to Australia, so hopefully it will air here soon and people might start to undersatnd a little better what it is we do. But will they change the title?)
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Tom, I think you'll find that Gerry and his team planned the material firstly, so that someone couldn't go the magic shop the next day and ask for any of the effects or to easily expose it, secondly, that he could replicate most of it in his stage appearances and thirdly so that it was great entertainment.

Hi Timothy,
I am sure the show is impressive.
But my point is the first part of your comment:
Making the show impossible to replicate.

On TV large chunks of what is really going on is cut out.

Remember the Ian Rowland lecture--he asks if anyone can reconstruct his TV appearance stuff. You can't because a lot is missing.

Copperfield was a master of this, his Grand Canyon bit filmed at different times and spliced together.

It has been getting progressively more and more like this. Derren Brown in particular. Look at his drawing duplication with the Ad guys-- you have got to say film AT THE END of the shoot (driving them home past the landmarks) is edited into the BEGINNING of the performance (saying that they are being driven to a mysterious destination. If that is indeed what happened, you have got to say the "no camera tricks" stuff is BS.

As to the last part of what you say, about him replicating the TV stuff on stage-- do you know this as fact, or are you assuming this? I seriously doubt it.

As I said, I am sure the show looks great and is slick, but if the Production Company is on your side, 3/4 of the battle is over.

Just my view,
Tom
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Tom,
The show needed no editing to accomplish the effects. All can be done before a live audience in real time.
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No stooges and no edits. The production staff (ie., producers, directors, editors, camera people, participants, etc.) had NO idea how the results were achieved. Their reality is matched by what the viewer at home sees and experiences. Period.

And yes, Gerry now performs most segments in his live show.

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It's a great show, not to be missed. The apparent _absence_ of any of the usual ruses made possible by the fact that it's a TV show is just one of its many strengths, and I think it's a great credit to Gerry and all concerned.

The only slight flaw, which has been mentioned elsewhere, is that perhaps you could argue that some of the effects ended up looking 'too perfect,' and lacked any Derren-esque pseudo-explanation to provide the plausibility factor.

I know that the production team is aware of these points and are intending to work on these aspects for the sequel, so that it will be even better than the first.
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What kind of strange post is this mystic1 ???

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ESP Guy, I don't buy it. I'm filming my own tv show these days and I know that the camera man and the director and everybody else MUST know how things work. They will fail to get the best results otherwise.
Secondly, it would be just foolish not to use all your resources.

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Patrik - don't worry about our dear friend 'Mystic 1'. As a brief trawl around the Café will show, he always likes to hurl his slings and arrows in my direction. What this has to do with 'magicians helping magicians' (the purpose of the Café) I don't know. All I know is that I could not wish for a better unpaid publicist!

Nimrod, I know you are a smart guy and a good performer, and incidentally all the best with your own TV shows. However, it is certainly not true to suggest that the director and crew must always know how tricks are done in order to tape them for TV. If you want one excellent cite for this, read the Berglas book!

Sometimes the TV production crew do know, if that's how things work for a given show, and sometimes they don't, and don't want to. I take your point about using all of the available resources, and we both know that TV is a 'venue' that makes many miracles possible. However, I think it's harsh to describe as 'foolish' anyone who takes a different route. Gerry's show is really excellent, and if he and his team wanted to work in such a way that the TV production team knew only the effects, and not the methods, I don't see anything 'foolish' about it.
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On 2004-03-20 05:04, nimrod wrote:
I'm filming my own tv show these days and I know that the camera man and the director and everybody else MUST know how things work.
Nimrod , Israel


You need a better team of consultants. Smile

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On 2004-03-20 05:04, nimrod wrote:
ESP Guy, I don't buy it. I'm filming my own tv show these days and I know that the camera man and the director and everybody else MUST know how things work. They will fail to get the best results otherwise.
Secondly, it would be just foolish not to use all your resources.

Nimrod , Israel


Sorry, Nimrod, but the production staff knows nothing of the methods. if you can't accomplis that, OK. It doesn't mean that others can't. Actually, I agree with Thom. You might want to seek a better group of consultants. Again, these things can be done live on stage.

By the way, Charles Scott had a local show in Kansas City several years ago. The show was a half hour of mentalism and was aired weekly for 11 years. The production staff had no knowledge of the methods.

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