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Bosco J. Elite user New York 462 Posts 
I was working through an ACAAN routine that utilized a particular stack that I'm not familiar with. I'm sure someone here would know what stack it is.
The order is obtained by a series of Faros (from a NDO deck with suits separated and some slight adjustments)that results in a black,red pattern (not si steb). From the top of the deck, it's 5S, 8H, JC, AD. It's a men deck and the specific location of any card can be obtained via a math equation using those first 4 card values with it's respective suit. That's a general description but I can provide more detail if needed. Does anyone know what stack this is? Bosco 

hcs Special user Germany, Magdeburg 521 Posts 
Nevertheless, this might be Si Stebbins!


Bosco J. Elite user New York 462 Posts 
Hcs,
It's not Si Steb because any card's location can be obtained via a math equation. It's not a cyclical deck. 

misamagic New user 51 Posts 
5S 8H JC AD 4S 7H 10C KD 3S 6H 9C QD 2S 5H 8C JD AS 4H 7C 10D KS 3H 6C 9D QS 2H 5C 8D JS AH 4C 7D 10S KH 3C 6D 9S QH 2C 5D 8S JH AC 4D 7S 10H KC 3D 6S 9H QC 2D  it is cyclical;


sgtgrey Special user Austin, TX 839 Posts 
It's still si stebbins, as it utilizes alternating suit colors in SHCD (or CHSD) order, with values increasing by 3 (or 4). In addition, Si Stebbins has indeed been used a memorized deck (e.g. Steven Youell's Hacker Stack, Darwin Ortiz, etc.) and in that case it is technically "noncyclical" although it can be. Si Stebbins can be calculated to know the position  check out the pdf Si Stebbins Unplugged for more info


Bosco J. Elite user New York 462 Posts 
It's not exactly cyclical . Yes, it's a repeated SHCD suit order but the values are mixed.
5S, 8H, JC, AD, 6S, 9H, QC, 2D, 7S, 10H, KC, 3D, 8S, JH, AC, 4D, 9S, QH, 2C, 5D, 10S, KH, 3C, 6D, JS, AH, 4C, 7D, QS, 2H, 5C, 8D, KS, 3H, 6C, 9D, AS, 4H, 7C, 10D, 2S, 5H, 8C, JD, ETC... I have Si Stebbins Unplugged. Thanks! I'll have to revisit it. Despite the red / black pattern, I find this arrangement useful as a quick mem deck. What's appealing is the ability to establish the stack order by just 4 Faro shuffles of a slightly modified 4 separated (AK) suites. Still would like to know the name of this stack. 

Claudio Inner circle Europe 1973 Posts 
It's cyclical:
+3, +3, +3, +5 and this pattern is repeated throughout. S,H,C,D and this pattern is repeated throughout. The rule to remember is to add 5 (instead of 3), if the current card is a Diamond. It's not immediately apparent if this stack has much interest, as it's possible to get from NDO to regular Si Stebbins in 2 faros (and some minor replacements before performing the 2 faros). Can you please tell us more about the benefits of that stack? 

JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 392 Posts 
I don't have cards on me but isn't this stebbins secret but with the numeric values ascending instead of descending before the out faros?


hcs Special user Germany, Magdeburg 521 Posts 
This is Gauci:
Charles Gauci, „The 15 Minute No Mnemonic Memorized Card System“, 2002 in „Reputation Makers  Europa Tournee 2004 Seminarheft” a reinvented variation of the classic STANYON approach ([18] Ellis Stanyon: "Magic, 1913, July") of the Si Stebbins Stack. (see my German printed book Dr. HansChristian Solka: "Si Stebbins Pro  Si Stebbins abgestaubt und getunt", Eigenverlag Magdeburg 2008 "Das StanyonSystem wurde mit unterschiedlichen Schrittweiten bis in die Gegenwart immer wieder „neu“ erfunden. Beispielsweise 1919 von Hammond [25], 1952 von Russell Duck [19], oder mit zwei unterschiedlichen Schrittweiten 1978 von Jack Yates [20], 1992 von Jan Forster [21], 1996 von Boris Wild [22] oder 2002 von Charles Gauci [23] und vielen anderen.") 

Bosco J. Elite user New York 462 Posts 
Thank you Claudio for the explanation. Yes, I can see the cycle.
I knew I came to the right forum 

JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 392 Posts 
Quote:
On Jun 25, 2016, Bosco J. wrote: Quote:
On Jun 25, 2016, Claudio wrote: Quote:
On Jun 25, 2016, JBSmith1978 wrote: The process to get to Gauci's stack is, as stated above, extremely similar to Si Stebbins Secret. 2 faros. Obviously there are two other differences in construction. 

IMAGINACIAN Special user In Your Thots 597 Posts 
I do not think this is Gauci stack. As far as I can tell from his book. This looks similar though. But the calculation seems backwards to that of Gauci and also in the opposite direction.
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hcs Special user Germany, Magdeburg 521 Posts 
Again, it is Gauci's "The 15 Minute No Mnemonic Memorized Card System", here in shocked order.
In Charles Gauci, „The 15 Minute No Mnemonic Memorized Card System“, in „Reputation Makers  USA Tour Lecture Notes 2002, pp. 14" the stack is in chased order. 

IMAGINACIAN Special user In Your Thots 597 Posts 
I humbly beg to differ.
The first few cards in Gauci stack are 3H, 6S, 9D, AC, 4H, 7S, 10D, 2C, 5H...etc. Of course, this is with chsd.
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1973 Posts 
@Imaginacian: hcs is right, those two stacks essentially equivalent in the sense that:
1. Suits alternate (C,H,S,D) or (S,H,C,D) 2. Numeric values follow the same sequence: +3 or +5 if Diamond. The order outcome (Chased or Shocked) is depending whether one performs IN or OUT faros. Granted, the cards order itself of both stacks are different, but once you know the suit order, the rules/algorithm to determine what card comes before or after a specific card are identical and the mathematical calculations to determine the position of any card in the deck too. Si Stebbins stacks may be in CHSD or SHCD order and it usually does not matter much as most,but not all, effects will work either way. The main problem would be if you memorized the deck, of course. 

IMAGINACIAN Special user In Your Thots 597 Posts 
Thanks Claudio, for clarifying. I get it now, of course.
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hcs Special user Germany, Magdeburg 521 Posts 
Mathematics of the stack (shocked order):
key cards are S #52  KS, #1  3H, #2  6C, #3  9D, #4  AS, #5  4H, #6  7C, #7  10D, #8  2S, #9  5H, #10  8C, #11  JD, #12  3S ... (add 3 / 6 / 9) AS  #4 AH: 411, AC: 422, AD: 433 (or add 42 / 30 / 19) ... 

IMAGINACIAN Special user In Your Thots 597 Posts 
Thank you HCS and sorry for my confusion.
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RickVancouver Special user Vancouver, BC 702 Posts 
What stack is this? It's in CHaSeD order, but it's definitely not the SiStebbins...
8C, KH, 3S, 10D, 2C, 7H, 9S, 5D, QC, 4H, AS, 6D, JC, 8H, KS, 3D, 10C, 2H, 7S, 9D, 5C, QH, 4S, AD . . .
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hcs Special user Germany, Magdeburg 521 Posts 
Quote: Seriously? No kidding?
On Jun 24, 2024, RickVancouver wrote: 

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