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takeachance Inner circle 3777 Posts |
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On Mar 18, 2017, Tony Venetico wrote: Reading the add copy yes it is. Ken's incredible Mr Golden Balls, totally re-vamped with the highest quality materials. Supplied complete with high-quality, solid resin balls produced to a custom size for this routine by a pool ball factory The bag is beautifully stitched to an even higher quality than the first version of Mr Golden Balls. |
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videoman Inner circle 6750 Posts |
Well, if Penguin has it then what is with the emails talking about only having 120 units available and they will sell out quickly?
But that's not the real issue, it's if I had ordered from Penguin their free shipping takes 2 days to arrive to me. Free shipping from the UK takes weeks. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10798 Posts |
Killer trailer.
Killer routine. Ordered yesterday.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10798 Posts |
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On Aug 29, 2016, Brainbu$ter wrote: So I have seen Ken perform this in person and at his Penguin lecture and it really is a treat - and the ending with the ball in the bag does play well when I have seen him perform it. Ken took the standard kurotsuke we all know and love - and put it on steroids with comedy and the extra twist at the end. That ending (and I have not performed this) does not dillute but adds the extra kick/twist that if performed correctly can elevate. But that is just what I think. I know this is a tried and true stunner for Ken that he has used successfully as a working pro on cruise ships and more hundreds of times. I have done standard kurotsuke many times myself - fun as well, but lets face it the audience ultimately knows where everything is headed even if they don't know who will have the sought out ball. That doesn't hurt the effect, but the standard has always been pretty linear. Ken's comedy and the final twist seem like a winner but I will only know more after road testing myself and making this my own - and not Ken's (since I am not even 25% as funny). BRETT
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George Hunter Inner circle 2017 Posts |
The basic effect and the two revelations, according to the video, appear to be the same as the first edition of Golden Balls. I am sure the new and improved version, with a more recommended bag and balls, is better than the first one.
My problem is, I bought the first one. From an earlier experience with another vendor, when I bought their original and then the "good" one, my policy is not to do that any more. I believe that it is the vendor's job to do the R & D, and field testing, to get it right the first time. So I am passing on this. This is probably my loss, but I will live with that. George |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I guess one colour ball remains in the bag [?]
So you are not left with the 'black' ball - if anyone is actually watching [?] I am thinking of getting this - so I got the penguin lecture... to help me decide I have to say - I'm happy that this thread got me to buy the lecture - as I'm almost two hours in and it is rather good Also I'm not sure if he's referencing PT - but his thoughts on mentalism today [not watched it all the way through - so shush don't spoil the ending...] is exactly what I think. But I'm not in any way experienced as a mentalist - and so for me it's just my personal taste... Anyway - so one colour [and the black ball] are left in the bag - is that right Has anyone every found you [the mentalist] out and called you on this [?] As I fear some of my smaller parlour shows I have to be very bullet proof on effects as they are not going to be forgiving Also any reviews - either of the new version - or better still from in the trenches and how it plays As a small note - after having read this thread - watching the lecture... I can see that the post about funny questions makes sense. Except it's not the questions - if people go for funny answers - then it's obvious they are not Golden Balls I do want it to be funny and the audience to be funny I'm already thinking of work arounds... maybe not lie/truth... not sure if this is an awful idea - or a great way around the problem with answers/questions being funny [and I do think it takes away from the effect, <if it seems too easy to know who is lying as they are being funny> and that is not me suffering from magicians thinking in the slightest... I felt that way in the lecture performance 'bitng my toenails' hmm]... I will tell them they can lie or tell the truth [all of them] - but the one with the golden ball has to think of his golden ball [at some point while he's giving his answer] ... then I can put some business in... 'hmm you were thinking of something but it might be ????' yadda yadda And I can take them out with 'you were not thinking of GB so you don't have it' As I would want to ramp up the humour And yet I would take out <in performance> the words/term 'Mr Golden Balls' [and never refer to the effect with those words] - if they are riding high and point to this on Google So you can see I am seriously thinking about buying this I just have slight [magician’s thinking] worry about their logically being two colour balls left in the bag [when you claim you are left with black] - unless I misunderstood how this plays [from the lecture] and for £90+ be nice to hear from a couple of people who have played this to audiences... though having watched his lecture - I trust this is a worker... it would seal the deal if I knew that the new improved version came with a fully functioning Dyne Wig |
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Hudson Lee New user 60 Posts |
Edit to my post: Ken and his office have resolved the issue. Great and personable service as always.
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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
Hiya,
Sorry I haven't been here to respond as quickly as I'd like - moving house so am surrounded by my whole life in boxes. Regrading the questions regarding what is 'new' with this version: 1. Compared to that shared in the Penguin Live lecture - In the lecture the bag cannot be turned upside down at the start to show it empty. In this version, you can, using a specially designed and crafted bag I've had made. 2. Compared to the short run I did of Mr Golden Balls last year - I was happy at the time with the sets, however, some people came back to me saying they had issues with the balls. So, I stopped production because I'd rather not sell something rather than be selling something that people aren't totally happy with. What I was selling was the way I was using it, using the exact props I use, but that's totally fine as it's your money you're spending and if you had issues with it I thought it best to stop production. The new sets come with solid resin coloured balls made by a pool ball company to an entirely new quality standard. One thing that I love so much about the art of magic/mentalism is that we can constantly develop ideas, build on them and improve. Like all art, it is never finished, merely abandoned. And I don't know about you, but I don't stop thinking about my routines once they're released. I constantly want to create and improve - so that's what this newest production of Mr G represents, and I hope you like it. Regarding the limited run - I only have 120 of them here, Murphys Magic have a supply too, but if you want to get it direct from me then I do only have 120 of them in at the moment , and I just checked in with the girls downstairs who are packaging them up and mailing them out and they are more than half way through getting them all out to all of you who have grabbed your own set Best, - K
MR GOLDEN BALLS 2.0: https://mentalunderground.com/product/mr-golden-balls-2-0/" target="_blank"> https://mentalunderground.com/product/passed-out-deck/
BAIRN: Named 'Best Mentalism Product Of 2014 by Marketplace of the Mind is my collection of more than 40 mentalism routines in a beautiful paperback book: http://www.mentalunderground.com/product/bairn |
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illusioneer Special user NYC 752 Posts |
I understand that the bag is a new and different design than what was used on the Lecture. However, can the bag now supplied still be utilized as a sw***h bag outside of the MR. GB routine?
Things are about to change........ LIGHTS!!!
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Legendary Wizard Inner circle The Wizard , The Legend 162,885,947,3659, 1695 Posts |
Just ordered , looking forward to using it soon .
" Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " ...
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10606 Posts |
Is there a benefit or advantage to ordering this directly from you vs. Penguin or Murphy's?
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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
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On Mar 22, 2017, illusioneer wrote: Yes, the bag does have a 2-compartment element that you can use for other routines
MR GOLDEN BALLS 2.0: https://mentalunderground.com/product/mr-golden-balls-2-0/" target="_blank"> https://mentalunderground.com/product/passed-out-deck/
BAIRN: Named 'Best Mentalism Product Of 2014 by Marketplace of the Mind is my collection of more than 40 mentalism routines in a beautiful paperback book: http://www.mentalunderground.com/product/bairn |
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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
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On Mar 23, 2017, Mindpro wrote: Not really, only that I make a couple of extra pounds and I can personally kiss the box for you. Other than that, your local brick magic shop will be able to carry Mr G and I think it's important we support these as they are getting fewer and fewer every year now.
MR GOLDEN BALLS 2.0: https://mentalunderground.com/product/mr-golden-balls-2-0/" target="_blank"> https://mentalunderground.com/product/passed-out-deck/
BAIRN: Named 'Best Mentalism Product Of 2014 by Marketplace of the Mind is my collection of more than 40 mentalism routines in a beautiful paperback book: http://www.mentalunderground.com/product/bairn |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
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On Mar 23, 2017, Ken Dyne wrote: I always "Try" to support creators / artists first but it is refreshing to see one that also understands the very real need to also support our everlowering number of brick and mortar shops. (My local shop in Pittsburgh Pa is in the final stage of closing after 40+ years in business). I really love the new trailer for this (as others have mentioned throughout this thread) and was not aware of this effect until today. I am not a "mentalist", nor do I do many effects that even "lean" that way. However, once in a while, I do a "totally adult" comedy / obnoxious magician bar act and would consider adding something like this just for the sheer amount of "bag and ball jokes". I was almost in tears laughing at myself and the stories I could make up just reading Brainbu$ters first tale about it. The jokes just write themselves I don't mean to take away any of the seriousness of the effect for those true "mentalists" who wish to play this straight in their performances but I see some real "Comedy Gold" here (pun intended).
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George Hunter Inner circle 2017 Posts |
Well, I found Ken's reflection fairly persuasive and impulsively sprang for the new revised second edition with the pool-type balls.
I am looking forward to their arrival. Still, I hope he doesn't come out with a third edition! George |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
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On Mar 23, 2017, Ken Dyne wrote: I enjoyed the lecture and was happy to hear your statement on the state of the art - wish you could have gone further So please don't think I'm a hater here at all I always try and order from a certain shop - as I want to support them They will match prices But from what I understand they couldn't match the direct price - though [the implication was] they 'should have - but that's another story' This works out as over £90 from shops, and £65 direct So I bought this directly from you It seems like you make the same money if it's direct or not - as the shops don't seem to be getting a fair chance to be competitive As I said I’m really not hating on you… just mentioning that your statement may not be entirely fair to the shops – as you are making them seem rather greedy [?] Also if you kept your price in line [£90 direct] you would be making more money on direct sales From a personal point of view – I’m indifferent – as I will still support the shop [where ever I can] in future – and I am happier that the inventor gets more of the money anyway So not a hater – more of a lover… so I’m even more glad I went direct now I know I will be getting a kiss included [for no extra cost] I may be the only one to want this – but a closed Facebook group for owners would be of interest – as I would be keen to see how others plan to use the prop As I said further up – the longer ‘bad review’ at the start of this thread – is [in my very possibly wrong opinion] correct that the ‘funnier’ you make the questions – the smaller the effect will impress. I love funny. I want to mess around with ideas to make it as funny but without diminishing the ‘power’ the performing is ‘showing’ – so a closed Facebook group would be a great place to chat – without giving away ‘free’ ideas to people who haven’t bought the product Anyway each time I check your website the number left seems to halve… was almost 60, then 31, now 16 left… and that’s just in the last day or two… be sold out soon guys |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10606 Posts |
I usually try to support the creator direct myself, but it can often be more expensive with shipping, etc. Good points about supporting magic shops as well. I was just curious as sometimes there are greater discounts, incentives or other bonuses or perks from buying from the creator direct. Thanks for your quick reply Ken. I wish you much success with this updated release.
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Ken Dyne Inner circle UK 2268 Posts |
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On Mar 23, 2017, The Duster wrote: Thanks for your nice words, much appreciate it. To give you some more info, regarding the presentation and the comedic element, the truth is that I only perform with as a 'game show' with all of the comedy about 30-40% of the time. I chose to present that in the trailer as it made for a funny, quirky trailer that I thought would be fun for my pals in the community. However, as mentioned in the copy on my site, I actually present this with corporate messages regarding finding the 'gold', or as a more serious body language reading/lie detection routine. The game show format would not work at most of the gigs I do, but its good fun for the time/place where it is suitable. Regarding the magic shop prices: on release, I have a special 'launch price' for my customers and people on my mailing list so if you buy direct from me to begin with you get that deal. The price actually goes up today (Friday). I'll be putting it up once I get back from the theatre tonight. The thing with pricing is that for a magic shop to carry this I have to discount enough to sell to Murphys wholesalers, then they make their margin, who then sell to the magic shop who make their margin. And as I am sure you can imagine having custom molds and custom balls produced, then the bags and all of the packaging, and then shipped across to the USA comes with a pretty hefty investment. Hope that makes the pricing a little more clear. Basically, I still make a LOT more when people buy direct from me, as the price I wholesale them at is WAY less than you might imagine. I should have just put out another e-book - I could have charged more and spent less That all said, I think it's critical that we support our magic shops. These are the places where many of us began our journeys, got bitten by the bug that has become our love. In the next few days my local magic shop, Magic Box will close their main shop in the next few weeks and relocate to a non city-centre location. This shop has been there for years, and it will be sorely missed. Thanks for your support, if you have any more questions at all I'll get back to you asap (I may be slow today as I'm at a funeral and then to the theatre tonight but I'll do my best). - K
MR GOLDEN BALLS 2.0: https://mentalunderground.com/product/mr-golden-balls-2-0/" target="_blank"> https://mentalunderground.com/product/passed-out-deck/
BAIRN: Named 'Best Mentalism Product Of 2014 by Marketplace of the Mind is my collection of more than 40 mentalism routines in a beautiful paperback book: http://www.mentalunderground.com/product/bairn |
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academy Veteran user 394 Posts |
I would be disappointed if Beverly Hills 90210 song is not included on the cd! Great trailer Ken.
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3067 Posts |
I purchased from Penguin and have tried to register for the online videos, has anyone gotten a password this way?
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