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alekz New user Munich, Germany 86 Posts |
Hey,
I am looking for the name of the switch, where you take e.g. a borrowed coin with the left hand and already have a gimmick in your right, then switch them. I have seen that magicians use that sleight frequently, so I wanted to learn it, especially because I will get a bite-coin-thingy soon. Can anyone help me with the name of the move (I don't want to pay for learning it.. do you know some pages on the net which teach it? Thanks in advance, Alex |
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
I think you're referring to a shuttle pass. You're going to really want to consider buying some kind of instructional material before you go too far with your magic, to learn the absolute very basics, like shuttle passes, classic palm, etc. I'd recommend Bobo's Modern Coin magic, and about a month of reading and practice before leaving the house to perform ANY coin effects for live audiences.
You see, in essence what you are saying in your post is that you bought, what can be when performed correctly, a really great effect. But you don't want pay any money or read too much, or take too much time to learn how to use it. You just want to run out there, do the effect poorly, and ruin the effect for the rest of us who spend hours and hours practicing, and reading, as well as a lot of money on trivial things like educating ourselves in magic and performance. I have a feeling your post is going to annoy a few more people than just me in this forum. Consider my advice, MCM should only cost you about $10. All the Best, Mike |
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Adam Keisner Veteran user London 335 Posts |
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I don't want to pay for learning for it Will you pay for the bit-coin thingy or does that come free on the net too? |
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
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On 2004-03-17 10:48, alekz wrote: That might make a good signature quote. |
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alekz New user Munich, Germany 86 Posts |
Lol.. a hardware p2p sharing program would be cool.. for stuff like the biting coin
No, what I wanted to say was, that I'm a poor little school boy.. I bought Royal Road to Card Magic and 3 Bicycle decks, but I don't really have money for more. Now this pass is useful for tons of tricks, like torn and restored paper etc.. I want to learn it, but paying 20$ for it.. nooo I mean, if I want to learn.. Japanese.. or something, there are pages on the net. If I want to learn skateboarding.. yep.. why not for that funny pass? Arh.. I'm talking rubbish.. don't I? Ah right, what I wanted to add: Is the shuttle pass also the one with which you act like if you put something (e.g. a match) in your right hand, but keep it in your left hand? |
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
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On 2004-03-17 10:48, alekz wrote: Quote:
That might make a good signature quote. That was pretty funny Dan |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If you spend the funds allocated for the bite coin on a book about coin magic... you might discover how to do the trick with something you make yourself.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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alekz New user Munich, Germany 86 Posts |
Yeah, maybe you're right
But I just started with magic, and I wanted to concetrate on card magic for the first few months. But this one (the bite coin) is really a good one. Pity that it's very expensive for Euro coins... |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Sorry, pity the language more
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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MacGyver Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1419 Posts |
No one said magic has to be free, or even cheap.
If you want it to be free, then sit down, take a borrowed coin and a gimmicked coin, and WORK OUT THE MOVES YOURSELF!!!! Voila, free coin magic. Sure, your right other things may get easily exposed on the internet, but they are not like magic where exposure is an issue. Once again think about all those skateboarders that didn't have the websites and had to come up with the moves THEMSELVES!!!!! |
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alekz New user Munich, Germany 86 Posts |
Hmm right again, indeed.
Jonathan: I'm German. Blame my weird english teacher Whatever.. if I were a professional magician, then I might consider spending all my money on tricks and stuff. But as I said, at the moment I'm just toying and learning some sleights which I try on my parents or sisters. And for that time, I think it's okay not to spend loads of money on gimmicks etc.. I like sleight of hand more than gimmicks anyway |
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Come on guys. Let's show a little more tolerance for someone who seems fairly penniless, is excited about learning magic and is just trying to get his feet wet in the pool of magic without becoming impecunious in the process. Some of the greats in magic had no money and had no benefit of books or master teachers. Slydini's name springs to mind. How can we be certain that alekz is not a budding Slydini and not just a instant Blaine wanna-be?
Additionally, a person's desire, ability and growth in magic should not be exclusively directly proportional to nor related to his financial ability to acquire books, tricks and other magic items. I have to always wonder if there is not a double standard existing for those who are just starting out (and who haven't proved their sincerity and been admitted into the "club") and for those already "in the club". Think about it. We magic "club" members are constantly discussing magic with each other, sharing ideas, showing each other moves, etc. And all of this generously given and for free. Being charitable and giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, it seems that the underlying concern that is being expressed in the above posts is wanting to know whether or not people like alekz are really sincere about learning magic or whether or not they just want to learn the secrets of magic without having any desire to learn the magic discipline. More diplomatic inquiries (especially via PMs to him) might have helped answer this question (regarding alekz's sincerity)--instead of just assuming the worst about him and seeing a bulls-eyes painted on alekz's chest for us to throw "newbie" darts at. Mike P.S. Alexz, please send me a PM so we can discuss your magic interests further. I have a lot of beginning magic books laying around that I'd at least be willing to lend you if you are sincere in your magic endeavors and education. Only a nostalgic fondness for these books keeps me from donating them to you outright. As for the Royal Road to Card Magic, you made a good and prudent choice in selecting that book for card magic. Wildstone made an excellent suggestion in his recommending Bobo's Coin Magic book to you for coins magic. One final suggestion is for you to join one or more local magic societies. There you will almost certainly meet many fine individuals who, if they believe in your sincerity to learn magic, would take a personal interest in you, would be happy to give you some pointer and personal help on "moves",etc. and who might also be willing to loan you various magic books, tapes, etc. And, given your financial situation, I would be willing to bet that these magic clubs have "scholarships" or might otherwise waive all or part of their dues and fees if your financial situation and "magic sincerity" was demonstrated and otherwise made known to them.
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
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MacGyver Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1419 Posts |
I doubt Slydini would say "I don't want to pay for learning it.. do you know some pages on the net which teach it?"
Learning without books and masters is fine, but you then have to be prepared to work on stuff yourself. Not steal other people's sleights and stuff on the net without paying for it. "Additionally, a person's desire, ability and growth in magic should not be exclusively directly proportional to nor related to his financial ability to acquire books, tricks and other magic items." I think this is true, but if you are going to not pay for other people's ingenuity, then you have to come up with your own stuff... you can't want to learn other people's things for free. Sure, magic is a "club". and there is nothing wrong with that!!!!! Every organization on earth is a "club", you don't go out giving inner club secrets to new people, before they have proven themselves and you can trust them. You have to EARN trust. And in regard to your point that we shouldn't judge, read the post. He could have just asked for the name of the move and left. But he had to go onto say that he doesn't want to pay for it, wants to learn it for free on the net, and that he wanted to learn it because he had coin bite coming(something that is very favored by blainiacs). In this on-line world we live and communicate in, you ARE JUDGED by your post. It is the only measure we have of you. In this case, I think the general tone of the post was very easy to judge, and that is the reason that the responses were made. If he had been more respectful, or maybe just more tight-lipped, he would have gotten the information and then some. I'm not saying that he can't change or whatever, but we shouldn't rush out and expose a bunch of magic to someone because "They aren't a pro magician and don't want to pay for anything".... |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
About Slydini...
you might like to consider that the NY gang would not teach him the Han-Ping-Chen trick for a while... which inspired him to invent some other methods for the coins through table. Such can sometimes lead to great accomplishments. Not the sort of thing to do with folks on the Café though.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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ashah Elite user 474 Posts |
Speaking of the shuttle pass, I have Bobo's book, and I don't see the shuttle pass mentioned in the index. Is it in there? Maybe it just has another name...
The reason I ask is that I've heard of a shuttle pass but don't know what it is -- probably something I should know. Anyone know if it's in the book? |
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Eric Grossman Elite user St. Louis, MO 429 Posts |
Ashah,
See "Winged Silver" by Nelson C. Hahne. It's in the "Coins Across" chapter. It is described, but not named, right after the paragraph referencing the "Utility Switch" A "Shuttle pass", is basically a "Utility Switch" with just two coins. As for our original poster, see MacGyver's post. Well said, Erik. Alekz, It's great that you found a new interest, but you have to realize that the whole genre of magic, is based on secrecy. It is an art form that takes a lifetime to learn, and will never be completely mastered by anyone. Just because you can't afford to buy something, doesn't mean it should just be given to you upon first request. I suggest that if money is an issue, you should use other means to explore magic with. Go make yourself a ubiquitous fixture at a magic shop or club. Show other magicians that you have a real desire, and someone will most likely help you. You will be more greatly rewarded doing it that way. If you're really not that serious, and just want do do a trick or two for your mom and sister, then why should those ideas that we are very serious about, be available to you? Our secrets are simply too valuable to be given out to everyone who has a "bitey coin thingy" coming in the mail. Turk, I have a family to feed, and make my living as an entertainer. I find myself penniless often. Life is tough. I will not "show a little more tolerance". EVERYONE has to pay their dues, even in this age of internet information overload. I suggest that he takes your latter advice, and: "Join one or more local magic societies. There you will almost certainly meet many fine individuals who, if they believe in your sincerity to learn magic, would take a personal interest in you, would be happy to give you some pointers and personal help on "moves", etc. and who might also be willing to loan you various magic books, tapes, etc. And, given your financial situation, I would be willing to bet that these magic clubs have "scholarships" or might otherwise waive all or part of their dues and fees if your financial situation and "magic sincerity" was demonstrated and otherwise made know to them". I never turn down anyone who shows a real desire to learn, but the original post here did not indicate that to me. IF EVERYTHING WERE FREE, NOTHING WOULD BE OF VALUE Eric Grossman
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Just had a quick exchange with AlekZ, He looked at the riddle and asked the right questions. I suggest we hold off on throwing copies of Ayn Rand books at the guy and ask him what he wants.
The thing called Shuttle Pass is a variation of the utility switch idea from Bobo's though involves some ideas not in that book. It is one of David Roth's fundamental contributions to coin magic and can be found in his first lecture notes and in his big book 'Expert Coin Magic' and his Videos/DVDs.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Alex Linian Inner circle Peru 1277 Posts |
Alekz,
If you want to learn magic for free, go to a public library, this is where I got started. I'm not saying that free exposure is a good thing, but that some public libraries have really good beginner's books. Alex
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alekz New user Munich, Germany 86 Posts |
MacGyver: I understand you. My first post really sounded newbie-ish.. somehow.
I know what you think of me. Just another 12-year-old who watched "Street Magic" and wants to eat coins for breakfast now. But that's wrong. I'm 17. No.. maybe I really am a little exuberant at the beginning. And as I guess, I'm not alone with this. But I think I got what you wanted to tell me. Starting with the _very_ basics. Yeah.. it's hard. There's so much stuff out there. I'll try my best. Thanks guys |
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Yes, I also judged alekz's posts and what I saw was an eager young person from a foreign country trying to communicate in a foreign language and maybe having trouble with the syntax and struggling for the proper words to use. That's why I suggested we contact him by PM and "feel him out" and try to judge his sincerity and his desire...instead of assuming the worst about his motives and piling on. (I'm certainly heartened to see that Johnathan Townsend has communicated with alexz and has had an initial favorable reaction to alexz.)
Like most of you, I also am not willing to just give away the secrets to just anyone who asks. But, I am willing to work with newbies, point them in the right direction and, under certain circumstances, answer basic questions. I probably over-reacted to the responses that cumulatively were suggesting (to me, at least) that if you can't afford to buy the secrets, well,...tough, you lose, go away, you are on your own, etc. It just struck me as cumulatively demonstrating an unintended characteristic that we magicians, as a group, are cold, selfish, hoarding, suspicious and uncaring of all "others". And, if most of us were honest with ourselves, we would remember the fact that most of us had (and still do have) a mentor or a few "go to" guys we could bounce things off of and ask for guidance. I certainly remember the generous help and guidance I received from some of the current greats in magic (Joe Givan, Mark Allen and Jim Pace--to name a few) as I began my magical sojourn back in 1980. I would have been truly lost and without a clue without their nurturing guidance and helpful suggestions. Anyway, alekz did send me a PM and I have to get over there, break through the language barrier and begin a constructive dialog with him and try to determine where he is "coming from". Thanks, Johnathan; maybe between the two of us, we can figure out alexz's motive and offer appropriate help. Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
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