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Well, I wouldn't say that they are the BEST for readings but just agreeing that they *could* be used... Personally I'll stick to Tarot and palmistry...
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We, some of us,talk about adding a little reading to our effects. My suggestion is simply to add a little reading to a routine using esp cards. Not a full fledged sit down reading of minutes. But a simple reading you'd do similiar if you were using colors.

Just my opinion. And we all know what those are like.
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Agree with Bauta.

I put out a reading system titled The Lens. It started directly from the Signs of Life book but evolved into something different. I have done a few thousand readings with the system. The Lens actually refers to the opening dialog I use to frame what is about to happen. I came up with it back when I worked with lots engineers to save the long discussion that ensued after a reading. You can find The Lens here:

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On Jul 1, 2016, Godzilla wrote:
I, was curious to see how many here use the ESP cards for readings...

I love the ESP symbols and I use them regularly not to predict the future but to explain the choices previously made by a spectator and thus, lead to a kind of personality analysis.
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Some folks have mentioned utilizing a colored ESP symbol deck.

If you wish to incorporate color to your ESP card readings, you don't need to use a deck with colored symbols. Instead, just get some white stickers:

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Next, color-in those white stickers with various markers/pens of your chosen colors. Then simply stick them onto your ESP cards. Two stickers per card is fine (one sticker per each lengthwise end of a card.... or in diagonal corners ala playing card indexes). Or if you prefer, you may even use smaller stickers and use four per card (one in each corner).


This method will allow you to utilize more colors because purchasing pre-colored stickers generally limits you to only 4 or 5 colors, whereas coloring your own white stickers with pens/markers will allow you to have a much greater choice of colors.


So.... suppose you decide to use 10 colors to correspond with a particular numerology/color reading system with which you might already be familiar. Combined with the five ESP symbols, you would now have a 50 card deck. This can be done inexpensively with a couple packs of Royal ESP cards which generally sell for $4 to $6 per deck of 25 cards (bonus: Royal ESP cards are marked too).




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On Jul 2, 2016, mindmagic wrote:
As others have said, the ESP symbols were designed for scientific testing and they were deliberately chosen to be emotionally neutral. It doesn't make much sense to me to use them for readings.

Barry


Not directed at Barry.....

To whom does it not make sense to use various things for readings. To us or to the audience.

I don't believe the audience cares or thinks of such things. When they see a guy on a card with a bunch of swords do they instantly recognize this as a valid reading device?

I think it's up to the performer to make such things valid if they have the ability.
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I think that really, personally speaking, there are a million and one better things to use other than esp cards for readings... And no, I don't have a list of those million things...😊

Each to their own for sure...if you're going to give a reading based on shapes though, why not just do a drawing analysis? Its more personal, doesn't come with any scientific backbone and is fun and freeform...

Go to an art gallery, fins three pieces that move you then think about why...then repeat...
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I think that really, personally speaking, there are a million and one better things to use other than esp cards for readings... And no, I don't have a list of those million things...😊

Each to their own for sure...if you're going to give a reading based on shapes though, why not just do a drawing analysis? Its more personal, doesn't come with any scientific backbone and is fun and freeform...

Go to an art gallery, fins three pieces that move you then think about why...then repeat...


You now have me thinking of Salvador Dali, Picasso and Monet. Melting Clocks, Square breasts and Fuzzy Artwork. Just kidding, These artists were very talented.

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I won't say what I would read into that Smile Smile Smile
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I'm glad we are not all the same.

Exactly. And this leads to one of the other great advantages of Zener cards for those who want to make a business of reading: they are not "done to death". You will find yourself much more in demand at places like psychic fairs, where everyone else is doing the same old thing.

This, of course, presupposes that they are used in such a way as to provide a depth of readings appropriate for professional work. The late (and much missed) reader John Wells once wrote that, "The readings possible with a given 'system' are only as effective as the capacity of that system to interact through its symbols with real life. Life is complex; the oracle must be also." The approach of ascribing simple basic meanings to each symbol (and some people do this completely arbitrarily, with no understanding of the anthropological value of symbols) may work for quickie readings, but will very soon run out of steam when applied to serious work.

I like Zener symbols for readings because they carry an interesting "scientific" cachet (which for me is a positive attribute, unlike that suggested by an earlier poster; for my audiences, I want to distance myself from the occult), embody an anthropologically rich set of symbology, and can be framed in the context of a divinatory system that is steeped in both complexity and historical accuracy (dating back thousands of years).

Reading what others have written about Zenermancy will yield some perspectives on what a properly worked-out system for Zener card readings can provide.
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Sold Doug. Make sure you sign my copy as you do your other books I purchased.

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On Jul 23, 2016, innermind wrote:
Some folks have mentioned utilizing a colored ESP symbol deck.

If you wish to incorporate color to your ESP card readings, you don't need to use a deck with colored symbols. Instead, just get some white stickers:

Image


Next, color-in those white stickers with various markers/pens of your chosen colors. Then simply stick them onto your ESP cards. Two stickers per card is fine (one sticker per each lengthwise end of a card.... or in diagonal corners ala playing card indexes). Or if you prefer, you may even use smaller stickers and use four per card (one in each corner).


This method will allow you to utilize more colors because purchasing pre-colored stickers generally limits you to only 4 or 5 colors, whereas coloring your own white stickers with pens/markers will allow you to have a much greater choice of colors.


So.... suppose you decide to use 10 colors to correspond with a particular numerology/color reading system with which you might already be familiar. Combined with the five ESP symbols, you would now have a 50 card deck. This can be done inexpensively with a couple packs of Royal ESP cards which generally sell for $4 to $6 per deck of 25 cards (bonus: Royal ESP cards are marked too).




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How about creating an esp card with a heart, diamond, spade, and club. So now you have the symbol, the color (red or black) and the suit as in cartomancy. You would need four cards of each or 20 esp cards. Shuffle them up and deal one then two etc.

I like it!

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The Zenermancy system includes a chapter on incorporating coloured symbols (the book's table of contents can be viewed here), though I, frankly, do not personally use this aspect, as I find there to be more than enough content without it to do full-length readings.
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So, out of genuine curiosity...

Often, when we introduce esp cards we talk about Rhine, Duke uni and maybe even Ghostbusters...

A scientific edge as it were...how do you then shift into a reading? And how do you shift from using them as a semi-scientific, test condition like presentation into a reading?
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On Aug 10, 2016, IAIN wrote:
So, out of genuine curiosity...

Often, when we introduce esp cards we talk about Rhine, Duke uni and maybe even Ghostbusters...

A scientific edge as it were...how do you then shift into a reading? And how do you shift from using them as a semi-scientific, test condition like presentation into a reading?


I think Doug gives a good explanation for that (on his site):

"they carry an interesting “scientific” cachet, embody an anthropologically rich set of symbology, and can be framed in the context of a divinatory system that is steeped in both complexity and historical accuracy (dating back thousands of years). "

David gives a good reason for using for instance Zenner cards for a reading instead of Tarot cards by saying that the corporate market is sensitive about Tarot readings.

Personally I like the participant to draw me a tree to get personal information about them but using Zenner cards (given that the cards are handled face up by the participant) is also a nice modern way to get information from the participant who are not charmed by Tarot cards.

For me any reading system that is handled by the spectator themself with their own conscious choices has my preference above for instance Tarot cards that are mostly handled facedown by the reader themself.
By letting the participant handle the reading system themself you can always fall back on their own choices instead of saying something like "the Tarot cards / stars / your palm tells me.....).
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I don't have much "reading" experience short of adding a little bit to colors and numbers. So for me to "shift" into reading is no problem. I just say, hey look at this.

For the more experienced solid readers it may be a concern.
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Should I wish to shift a moment from (say) a demonstration to a reading, I casually comment on the significance (the anthropological interpretation) of the symbol(s) that the participant has chosen.

Incidentally, and whether or not one chooses to make mention of the origin of Zener symbol cards, I believe that it's important to get things right (because a surprising number of people know about this stuff, and you don't want to come across as uninformed). So be aware that Karl Zener spelled his name with a single "N", and pronounced it "ZEE-ner", not "ZEN-er".
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This, by my good friend Chris Gould of Alchemy Moon, may be of interest ...

https://www.geminiartifacts.com/collecti......tifactum
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