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Godzilla Inner circle Tied & Untied Witches on 5316 Posts |
I just watched a (2000) movie 'The Gift'.
The Psychic used ESP cards laid out in spreads for readings. She, did not use Tarot. My question ... Do any of the members here use ESP cards for readings ? Thanks, Gary
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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Ben Blau Inner circle 1475 Posts |
Personally, I've never understood the use of Zener cards for readings. They were not devised for divination purposes.
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
Personally, I don't, but I did come up with a method where I assigned a separate meaning to each combination of three cards (no matter what order they appeared in). You would interpret each row and then each column.
However, if you really wanted to use Zener cards for readings, I would recommend getting a deck that had each symbol represented in one of five different colors, making 25 different cards, which would be sufficient for an oracle (and would be fairly easy to memorize the assigned meanings of). You could correspond each symbol to its numerological equivalent, and each color to an elemental meaning. In the movie, it is clear that the main character simply uses the cards as a prop, and instead performs straight cold-reading (with occasional true psychic insight).
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts |
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On Jun 29, 2016, Ben Blau wrote: Tarot neither according some theories , still is one of the most popular oracles. At the end anything can be interpreted as reading tool. I have done readings using ESP symbols and the work of Webster, Knepper and Dyment are good sources of information and inspiration. Best
Pablo
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Dr Art Regular user 170 Posts |
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On Jun 29, 2016, Godzilla wrote: You might be interested in this thread about using ESP cards for readings. Apparently the ESP symbols have actual cross cultural similar meanings that can be interpreted as "states of mind". So giving readings based on these symbol choices is triggered by the mental state of the sitter based on different reading topics. Doug Dyment wrote a book on this topic (Zenomancy) and the thread references an anthropologist that wrote a book on the cross cultural meanings of ESP cards. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=15 |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
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On Jun 30, 2016, Amirá wrote: A short list of things not devised for readings... Numbers Chicken bones Tea leaves Your birthday Planetary alignment The palm of your hand Once you understand readings, you will understand how anything may be used. |
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
I have used them. The corporate market is pretty sensitive about tarot.
In my interpretation: * The Circle represents family/harmony * The Plus Sign represents ambition/drive * The Wavy Lines represent travel/adventure * The Square represents business/accomplishment * The Star represents creativity/imagination I only ever use the ParaLabs cards. They are m***** in an ingenious method that they can be seen in any light. They can be detected with a pendulum...the subject can choose one face up or face down...they can be used as a Past/Present/Future spread...they can be !@#$** on the volunteer. There are endless possibilities. David
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I've never used them for readings, for the scientific side of them jars with the context of a reading (for me)...
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Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
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On Jun 30, 2016, IAIN wrote: Exactly my reaction as well. And I can understand how others might feel differently and use them effectively. |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
The reason I am intrigued by esp readings is that they are in the family of numerology and cartomancy. So once you learn about numbers you can do entertaining readings with esp cards regular cards or number cards. So by learning about numbers you can apply it to many various props.
Then by adding colors to the esp cards (playing cards already have colors) you have even more to work with. I might suggest you begin with Alan Strydom's nice little tome on An Intuitive method for readings with Zener ESP cards. You could refer to it as the Trinity Reading System. Don't.... don't.... don't stop. You can thank me later! J |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Nah...i'll leave it thanks...doesn't work for me...
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Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
The Zenner cards are best for ESP testing--maybe personality testing, but shapes in general might be good be good for personality reading or readings in general.
Circles are eternity, spirit, art, emotion, relationships ? Triangles are mind, reason, science, logic, ideals ??? Squares are physical, body, balance, work, real world ????
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
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Godzilla Inner circle Tied & Untied Witches on 5316 Posts |
Thanks, for replies Gents !
I, was curious to see how many here use the ESP cards for readings... ~G
"If you watch Godzilla backwards, it's about a big ass lizard who helps rebuild a half burnt-down city, then moonwalks back into the ocean"
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
I'm glad we are not all the same.
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Godzilla Inner circle Tied & Untied Witches on 5316 Posts |
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On Jun 30, 2016, John C wrote: Me too ! Hey, John you mentioned colors. I use the color concept with A-Z. I, do not claim to be a reader! lol
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Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
A BLENDED PATH Christian Reflections on Tarot Word Crimes Technology and Faith........Bad Religion |
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mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts |
As others have said, the ESP symbols were designed for scientific testing and they were deliberately chosen to be emotionally neutral. It doesn't make much sense to me to use them for readings.
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Robb Inner circle 1291 Posts |
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On Jun 30, 2016, Amirá wrote: Agree with Pablo on this. It doesn't matter what a set of cards were designed for, it matters that you can use the symbolism in a meaningful way. The shapes of Zener cards certainly lend themselves to some very direct symbolism: Circle: Unity, completeness, resolution, wheel of existence, etc. Cross: Decisions, conflict, polarity, etc. Wavy Lines: Energy, inspiration, movement, change. Etc. Square: Rigidity, order, logic, etc. Star: Success, achievement, good fortune, etc. And I came up with these as I typed! |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Each to their own...and yes, you can read just about anything...doesnt mean you should though
In my opinion...do your own thing...
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