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On Dec 26, 2016, chanor wrote:
I have notified Ian of my mixed success with this effect. It is best performed with a segue into another effect, giving the audience less time to analyze it. A sophisticated spectator or audience can figure it out with a little thought.


I have not performed this yet

So I'm just going on gut and how comfortable I feel about it

I do like to plan ahead

I like the routine and can see where I can add humour (which is my thing) - and how to make it 'my own'

Though one of the two outcomes had me thinking two things:

1. I need to move onto something quickly as if I leave any dead air, it's questionable or a little transparent

2. I'm not sure the script is as solid, as if you at first play like you lost (for a beat)... then say you won... then pack/reveal... that beat where you played like you lost may highlight your sneaky-worded-sneakiness ...

My fix to the second thing, by that I mean the less clean of the outcomes, I may not go for the 'I lost' moment, but skip straight to the I won... no need to check part of the script

On the whole this is a great idea

And I look forward to gagging it up and making it 'mine'

So although I feel the above problems to be true, it doesn't mean I don't think it's a great and worthwhile little routine

With the right script it's an opener, maybe

Especially if you get the audience to shout what they think, or some other participation

But I can see the mixed results and if you think it doesn't get that, you don't know what ppl think and are too polite to tell you....
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After reading the comments I'm pretty sure this isn't for me.

If I do this for a crowd, I cannot control precisely who's watching the presentation. This means if the same person see the same effect presented by me in another crowd... well...
The "once per venue or engagement" don't tickle my criteria for "solid", so I'll pass this one.

Also, I think Doug Dyment nailed a very relevant subject to consider here:

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Much of the disagreement here is a consequence of some folks conflating "magician's choice" with "equivoque".
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Ian's 50/50 Fantasia is an extermely powerful weapon and considering the expertise of the marksman/performer, Fantasia 50/50 consistently leaves my audiences pleasantly and completely mystified.

My most brilliant participants' minds must surrender to Fantasia 50/50!
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Hi Max,

this is similar to BOHT from Bryn Reynolds (which admittedly I shouldn't know about but got told about...shame on me, I will definitely by the Safwan Papers sooner or later...probably sooner rather than later) in the sense, that it can only be performed ONCE per venue...BUT...nobody will notice this the next time you perform. If you perform for the same group of people regularly, then this might be an issue, but only if regularly means "every few weeks" AND if you perform this same effect in the same way over and over again. If you mix the presentation, nobody will (or should, I should say) notice the method.

50:50 Fantasia is grandiose. It is subtle, Ian gives a full Scripting in the pdf and it is well worth it.

Also, Ian isn't one of the guys who puts out huge amounts of stuff to make Money. What he puts out is solid. Even if you ook at his Homepage at the stuff he gives away for free....then paying 20 bucks for 50:50 is a bargain.

Cheers

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On Jan 6, 2017, Max Hazy wrote:
After reading the comments I'm pretty sure this isn't for me.

If I do this for a crowd, I cannot control precisely who's watching the presentation. This means if the same person see the same effect presented by me in another crowd... well...
The "once per venue or engagement" don't tickle my criteria for "solid", so I'll pass this one.

Also, I think Doug Dyment nailed a very relevant subject to consider here:

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On Nov 2, 2016, ddyment wrote:
Much of the disagreement here is a consequence of some folks conflating "magician's choice" with "equivoque".
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I get the feeling this thread has run far beyond its natural course.

Some people like the stuff I put out. That's nice to hear.

Some people don't like it. Love and good luck to them too. Some people like jazz, others prefer rock or classical. There are as many preferences as there are people to have them.

If some people look at 50:50 and see great potential, good. I've had lots of fun using it and I hope they will too. It's one of the few things in mentalism that I actually _enjoy_ performing, knowing that by my words alone I am very slowly but surely snaring someone's mind in a trap -- without them noticing -- such that at the end they will have an entertaining, mysterious and intriguing experience that defies explanation. Who knows... this could be the most wonderful thing that's happened to them all day, or all week.

If other people look at 50:50 and don't see much potential, well, that's okay too. They'll prefer other items from other minds, other routes to those beautiful moments of entertaining mystery and intrigue that we are striving to create.

We all celebrate the art of mystery. We, and we alone, know how to create these incredible moments and delightful experiences for other people. We, and we alone, know how to give people the beautiful adventure of experiencing something that seems inexplicable, and how to make this entertaining or fascinating, or turn it into a metaphor for a positive message or an encouraging thought. This is the destination we all share, but there are many paths and roads that lead there. 50:50 Fantasia is just one of those paths. It is one of thousands. If you like it, use it. If you don't, no worries. You'll get there some other way that works just as well. The destination matters more than the path.
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On Oct 13, 2016, chanor wrote:
What if the spectator says "OK, do it again"?


You reply with," ok" then do something else interesting. Maybe wink at them. It's called you are in charge.

You don't have to do what the audience says.

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"What if the spectator says "OK, do it again"?"

1. Do you do this with any other trick? If you perform Ambitious Card (the whole routine, not just one phase) and someone asks you to do it again, do you? What about Card Under The Glass, or Confabulation, or Mental Epic? It's usually not possible to repeat a trick in any meaningful way, other than giving specs an extra chance to solve the method, and even if it is possible it's seldom advisable or a good idea.

2. Say, "I won't repeat that one because you've seen it so it would be a bit boring for us both, but there's something else I can show you that I think you'll find interesting..."

3. I once saw Sinatra close a show with 'My Way'. No-one asked him to please sing it again. They might have asked for an encore, but he came back and sang something else -- or he saved 'My Way' FOR the encore. When a comedian does a great routine and gets lots of laughs, the audience doesn't say 'That was great, tell us those jokes again'. It's not a very common feature of showbiz and entertainment for audiences to demand to see something again or for the performer / entertainer to worry about what to do if this happens. Yet suddenly, having published '50:50 Fantasia', it seems to be a common concern. I don't understand this.

4. I've been using and performing '50:50 Fantasia' for about 20 years. Nobody has ever asked to see it again because they 'get' that it's a one-off, something amazing and special and extraordinary that I'm sharing with them as a one-off treat. I'm not a performing dolphin that jumps through a hoop each time someone holds it up.

5. Say, "Ah, but repetition is dilution. Enjoy that for what it was. And now, let me share something else I think you'll enjoy..."

6. "I'll repeat it as soon as you can entirely wipe from your mind and your memory everything that you've just seen. This is the only way it works. Have you done that?" If they say 'No': "Well, I can't repeat it then, because it only works if you do." If they say 'Yes': "Right. What is it you're asking me to show you?" If they refer to '50:50 Fantasia', this proves they haven't wiped it from their mind.

7. Say, "I'm sorry, I can't. It only works once."
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8) you are trying to read me and my actions now. You will try and win the bet. Let's move on and do something different.
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Yeah, I never really repeat anything unless that's built in to the structure of the effect and somehow makes it stronger. As Cassidy says, regardless of your performance style, building an authoritative persona is mostly necessary part of the mentalists character. Otherwise, you'll be at the mercy of your audience, which is hardly the vibe you want to give off.
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On Jan 18, 2017, January wrote:
I never really repeat anything unless that's built in to the structure of the effect and somehow makes it stronger.

Exactly. Very well put.
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On Jan 18, 2017, January wrote:
Yeah, I never really repeat anything unless that's built in to the structure of the effect and somehow makes it stronger. As Cassidy says, regardless of your performance style, building an authoritative persona is mostly necessary part of the mentalists character. Otherwise, you'll be at the mercy of your audience, which is hardly the vibe you want to give off.


Agreed.

I think it's worth to mention the reasons, as a few fellows apparently don't see this perspective:

It's not about repeating the effect. It's about presenting for an audience with spectators who already saw it in another performance.

I also perform effects that cannot be immediately repeated... those that might need a reset for example (and a good amount of those are among my favorites).

But once per engagement is different. I just don't feel comfortable with it because I can't control exactly if everybody in the show is watching that performance for the first time, or not. I think I could add time up to the point where they forget what happened, but memory can be subjective and this would already make me uncomfortable in presentation. There are a couple other reasons, but I don't want to get technical here. I think this can be a gem for a lot of people, but I don't feel it is for me in particular.

I'm sure the value of this effect will not only be the method, but also the script and the ideas.
Ian Rowland is a true gentleman and an awesome mentalist. I wish him nothing but success with it. He deserves.

Cheers,

Max Hazy
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On Jan 19, 2017, Max Hazy wrote:
I'm sure the value of this effect will not only be the method, but also the script and the ideas.


The value of 50:50 is mainly the principle that Ian shared with us (IMHO). This is not just a method. When I read it the first time, it reminded me of another subtlety that Looch teaches for his coinfabulation Routine in the Black Project. Ian just took it a step further, or maybe into a totally different direction, not sure how to describe it, especially without giving the secret away.

So on one hand you are right, with your statement, yet on the other hand your statement (or at least the part I cut out from your post and quoted above) is too imprecise to describe this wonderful principle.

And to say this again: You can repeat this effect for the same venue. Use the principle, but don't use the same presentation. Why go for a bet at the beginning? Money obvioulsy makes for a huge amount of intrigue, but you can use the principle with any 50:50 reveal...and why would anybody notice. Before I saw BOHT performed for the first time I couldn't understand how it would fly by...now I understand ist power, and I'd bet a huge amount that you could Play BOHT multiple times in a year for the same audience if you include it in a Routine. And I am pretty sure that this will work with 50:50 as well...

I don't know why I am writing so much, we don't know each other Max, Ian I also only know from a short Chat at MINDS but I still would like you to see the value in what Ian has written down here. The scripting is really excellent and the principle is fantastic!
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Really clever bit of business, for me was more than worth picking up.
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Fantastic. If you think you will like this and have read the ad copy thoroughly, then you should pull the trigger. You will be happy.

Side note and nothing new - I think it is unfair to "compare" different creator's methods when giving reviews, especially to the extent it was done here. Most regulars are gonna have at least a rough idea of the methods involved here, especially if they are familiar with some of the effects thrown out as comparisons. That sucks for both creators.
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On Jan 11, 2017, RealityRocks wrote:
Hi Max,

this is similar to BOHT from Bryn Reynolds (which admittedly I shouldn't know about but got told about...shame on me, I will definitely by the Safwan Papers sooner or later...probably sooner rather than later)


No worries..... just do me a favor and go out and have fun performing it!

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Is this essentially the same effect as found on Ran Pink's latest DVD involving a 50/50 choice?

If anyone is familiar with both, I'd be interested to know of the similarities and differences, advantages and disadvantages.
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On May 24, 2017, robvh wrote:
Is this essentially the same effect as found on Ran Pink's latest DVD involving a 50/50 choice?

If anyone is familiar with both, I'd be interested to know of the similarities and differences, advantages and disadvantages.

It's Andrew Gerards effect and they are very different, but it's difficult to explain why without giving away the secret. Gerards is a great impromptu effect for when you are in the bar or a casual situation. Rowlands is more suited to an audience in a formal setting. Rowlands is also more suited to an experienced and confident performer while Gerards is very easy for any level.
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I am a horrible mentalist and a worse human being. I have disgraced the work of Ian Rowland and mentalists everywhere. I hate myself.

Last night I did a corporate "picnic" type deal and I was feeling a bit "off" throughout. No major mishaps or screw-ups and the client was getting their moneys worth. Maybe because it was outside? Maybe because one of the guests was a bit "overly" interested in me and making me a little uncomfortable? Maybe because I had a couple beers (unprofessional, I know). I was ok, but not as "on" as I usually like to think I am.

Anyway, it comes to the end of the night and they want to see "one more". Perfect opportunity for this effect, right? I've done it like a dozen times now, and it's amazing and fun. So I'm going to get into it in a minute, and suddenly, out of nowhere, I start to panic. I irrationally think "I need an out if this goes wrong". I prepare the out, and I will use it if I have to, so help me god. I do the routine, and it is fine, I don't use the out and nobody is the wiser. Nobody but me anyway. Everybody is duly entertained and I go home.

I sleep poorly and wake up in a cloud of self-loathing and shame. I am thinking of hanging up my imp pad and taking up juggling. I feel unclean.

I am hoping this public admission of my misdeed will will prove therapeutic. Perhaps some penance is in order? Practice a thousand center tears or go assault strangers in the street with my old set of sponge bunnies? I dunno man, I am so ashamed of myself.
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It´s also absolutely suited for impromptu! Put a coin under the hand of a spectator and start the effect.
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