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salsa_dancer
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I am totally new to this area of magic but fascinated nonetheless..

I was playing around with some ideas the other night and I came up with something that would fit into this area and thought I would post.

It involves a spectator choosing an occult based word that is based around vampirism, and death, this is a free choice from a selection. An envelope is opened to show a blank card and then the performer starts to bleed as the word is concentrated on and the blood forms a word on the card that the spectator has chosen.

What do you think? If this is already out there please don't shoot me down just let me know Smile I am just enjoying the creative thinking process, not trying to break new ground Smile
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I toyed around with this idea, myself, not too long ago. PM me if you want to know the details.
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The idea of using a fluid to paint or reveal a pertinent idea is good. It has all the elements of a strong effect; thought-image, tactile in both the cards and the liquid and visual in the way the thought is revealed.


That said: blood, vampires... not even real kiddie horror. Such things are not even pertinent to our society anymore. Today's children are worried about being caught alone by their teachers in empty classrooms, about getting shot on the way home... or what might be happening at home.

Try using words from the IRS forms, or from your 401(k) documention.

Why even pretend to use blood when our society uses ink to mark commitments and numbers to ensure compliance?

Please, unless you have a time machine and want to freak out folks from 100+ years ago... let the antique stuff sit.

Or is your name Randolf Carter?

The fluid from the vial of chaos is starting to move and spread over the pan. It's starting to flow in to a pattern. Is the word you felt compelled to focus upon ...
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Would that not depend on the presentational angle. Of course Vampires and the like are not at the forefront of horror, but psychologically people can stil be led to believe. After all is the occult not built on these kind of silly beliefs? I mean we all know that demons and the devil are not real yet the pentagram and the like are still used, right?

I think blood still has a psychological effect on people and with the right wording could you not have people going away from the effect thinking that maybe vampires could exist? This would be more rewarding than the effect itself...

Maybe along the lines of a new breed of undergound horror that has the ability to tap into the mind of the human to find 'uncontaminated' blood and feeds off thought waves themselves?

I am only speaking personally but I get freaked out when I am walking home late at night because of 'night terrors' I know do not exist, yet the vial of chaos would have me yawning quicker than a rerun of Dallas...

That being said I take your point about the antique stuff and think that a fresh presentational angle could work. Then again as I said in my first post I am new to this....
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Okay let's pull that apart...

Vampires etc silly...here and now yes. If you look at where the stories come from you can find out what the ideas are that the stories were written to communicate.

Demons, devils, pentagrams... all have religious basis and our current perspective comes from a religious standardization in Christianity into it's current form. The symbols and deities of other cultures were cast as 'evil' and an imaginary punk version of 'wicca' was cast into 'devil worship'.

Perhaps the minor demons became parking meters and internet servers? Perhaps the vampires now work in hospital blood labs? Perhaps getting an MBA really means forsaking salvation/afterlife for rewards from mammon? It's the ideas that horrify. Who needs fangs when we have disease and drug testing?

As to blood... A loose vial of blood is to say the least... unsanitary. Such is not exactly welcome at the coffee table. Or will you bring enough for everyone? Smile

Okay, who is Randlof Carter?
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Ok I accept that it is old fashioned.

I like the ideas that you have raised with regard to disease....

Yes blood is unsanitary, maybe that is part of the appeal, the recoil factor.

.....who is Randolf Carter?

;)
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I came up with an idea for a effect called paper cut that plays out alot like what your talking about it goes like this, a card is selected, signed, and lost in the pack. Then another card is shown and is used to make a paper cut on your hand. The blood then forms the number and suit of the card. To end you turn over the card you cut yourself with and it is the selected card.

This is one of my pet tricks that I am slowly but surely working into something worth while.
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Ah yes... the old Fake blood and card tricks argument.
I think that the use of blood, when speaking theatrically, can be very effective in context. I have performed the syringe version of the Spangler 'Needle through the arm' for many moons. Fake blood could, however, play a legitimate role in certain card plots. 'The Cannibals' for example, or Possibly 'The Collectors' if you storylined the effect around the idea of the collected cards being the victims of serial killers. I don't know how either of these ideas would work in reality though. I'm guessing not too well, in a normal situation anyway. I think there would almost certainly be a lack of empathy for both performer and effect in the aftermath.


In answer to salsa_dancers earlier question. I quite like the idea of blood in magic, although I have to say, out of context, it always looks a little camp to me.
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Mr. Townsend is bringing up issues about Bizzare magic that I have long attempted to form, but have not commanded the eloquence. I think we should explore it further!

Is there anything more bizarre in history, than the modern world? This does not completely negate, antique routines, but isn't it better to weave our magic into the folds of today's life? It's about connection, is it not? With that aim, are we not better served by tackling today's troubles and hopes in our routines?

Are we afraid to perform something that might have meaning in the current world contexts? Something that might generate some attenion and fervor, or perhaps controversy? As true Art might?

I get the feeling that magic here is being divided, into traditional, and bizzare. My trouble is that many with whom I've spoke seem to think that truly themed performances, things with direction and inspiration, are under the bizzare category. 'Bizzarists' with whom I have spoken look down on 'traditional' magicians, as uncomprehending second rate entertainers.

There may even be some truth in this, but as Mr. Townsend seems to know, we can inspire, theme, and make scripted and story performances using more conforming performances, and when I say conformist, I mean conforming to today's themes!

I love history, with a passion, and many fantasy novels as well, so don't get me wrong, *I* enjoy that sort of thing. But I also believe in real magic, the magic in Art, the magic in bonds of human fellowship, and for that, folks, I believe we need to bring our magic into the real world...

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Going back to the routine suggested, a nice presentation could be to use a photograph as the paper.

As there is a long, documented phenomenom of bleeding statues and weeping photo's and pictures, you could combine the two to create a nice idea... that is, that a photograph bleeds, and the blood running down the photo reveals whatever... perhaps the name of the person in the picture?

I think blood can have a place in magic, particularly bizarre, and producing it magicially, (as opposed to trying to convincingly slice your arm or whatever) you might be able to skip around the issues that usually make it look so false.

Just some thoughts,

Liam.
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Giving some more thoughts to this, how about the card itself bleeding?

13 of them are covered with hearts Smile

Maybe utilising the number 13 - and a stab through the heart..
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Saying that... and taking a pin to the eight of hearts... puncturing it... it bleeds... till it is just a seven of hearts.
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On 2004-03-22 12:36, salsa_dancer wrote:
Giving some more thoughts to this, how about the card itself bleeding?

13 of them are covered with hearts Smile

Maybe utilising the number 13 - and a stab through the heart..




Keith Arlen Lack has the "Bleeding Heart" card available on his website:

http://www.arlenstudio.com

I have the effect, and it's a nice one.
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Isn't that always the way... you start to get excited about an idea and it is already out there!!
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Salsa dancer, exploring the ideas raised in your interested thread I have posted a new routine here:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......14&0

Exploring Jonathan's and mithrandir's ideas, it is my attempt to create a a very contemporary and pressing horror.

Regards,

Caleb Strange.
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I wonder... if someone in a photo might bleed ink... which could turn into words. Or perhaps in reverse?
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I like the idea of a bleeding card, especially if the card is from a tarot deck.
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That said: blood, vampires... not even real kiddie horror. Such things are not even pertinent to our society anymore. Today's children are worried about being caught alone by their teachers in empty classrooms, about getting shot on the way home... or what might be happening at home.


Interesting take. Maybe you should go to one of the Gothic clubs in New Orlean and say that very loud.

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New Yorker here Bill... If the Goth kids start leaving bodies drained of blood... that might be interesting. I wonder what would happen to the clubs and the patrons if some members took their pose fully into actual life practice? A club full of such predatory creatures would need hundreds of liters of supply a night. Are you suggesting the Red Cross is managing the infestation with nightly deliveries? Is this why the great concern over blood drives when supplies get low?

Scary is an MBA which expects to immediately improve a real company with school learned procedures.

Scary will probably always be with us. I hold that many of the antique metaphors are without meaningful context today. The truths may be horrible, it's the vision that changes over time.
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For some reason people can't stand the sight of blood.
Any idea why?
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