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Her gender is not relevant to the issues raised about the total lack of crediting.

If it was a man, or a woman, or neither, I'd still say the same thing about the crediting issues.

You WERE being sexist, by suggesting the rules don't apply people if they happen to be female. Think about it.
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Whose rules are you referring to?
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On Nov 13, 2016, Colin (C.J.) wrote:
Whose rules are you referring to?


The accepted ethics and standards of the magic arts that say you should not claim effects as your own that are rightly credited to others?
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I agree with that 100% but not Futureal saying I am being sexist by encouraging Suzanne as a woman in magic.
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Sure, encourage EVERYONE to do well in magic, that's not the issue.

You're saying DISREGARD her lack of ethics by providing absolutely zero crediting because she's a woman? If it was a man then it's bad, but because it's a woman, give her a free pass? Can't you see how offensive that is?
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You're putting words in my mouth, I said nothing about ethics or crediting. You reinforce my point about this pushy, alpha male behaviour.
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You're putting words in my mouth, I said nothing about ethics or crediting. You reinforce my point about this pushy, alpha male behaviour.


Well, that's been the only criticism other than someone not liking some of her scripting, which is pretty minor. Now you're trying to move the goal posts. All you've got left is silly insults about alpha males.

The only one being pushy is you.
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I'm taking way too much flak here so I will take a different tack. I support Suzanne as a woman in magic and admire her achievements. She does need to work on her crediting in lectures but this is easily resolved. I will contact Suzanne and give her the feedback directly rather than berate her in a public forum. I hope this satisfies everyone and brings the matter to close.
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I'm taking way too much flak here so I will take a different tack. I support Suzanne as a woman in magic and admire her achievements. She does need to work on her crediting in lectures but this is easily resolved. I will contact Suzanne and give her the feedback directly rather than berate her in a public forum. I hope this satisfies everyone and brings the matter to close.


Thank you for the feedback on the crediting. I did credit Eddie Fechter for "Let's Be Honest" in the lecture. If it didn't make it in after editing that's not MY ethics. Also the Blank Card Trick *isn't* Greg Wilson's it's Seth Kramer's Blank Ambition and I have permission from him to teach my version of that piece. The Card to Pocket is my version of Francis Carlyle's Homing Card out of Stars of Magic and ending with David Williamson's Deck to Pocket and I credited that, too. All of this was cleared by Penguin and I made sure everything was in order.

I hope this clears up any confusion.
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May interest people to know that Suzanne presented a video lecture for Aaron Fisher’s Conjuring Community.

During which she again offered no crediting.

Perhaps Conjuring Community edited them out of the live stream in the same way that she asserts Penguin Magic did.
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Suzanne sure does have a reputation of being a magic villain.... wait, what?

The last several posts are like living in bizarro world. Of all the people I would target for lack of integrity, she isn't one of them.
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