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AlexanderG
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I'd love to hear from experienced performers whether you think 4DT together with an envelope-based Q&A routine would be just too much. Whether the similarities/overlaps (e.g., writing on cards, placing cards in envelopes, the discerning of the contents of those cards, cold reading) are just too great to make for a varied and entertaining set. Thank you!
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Bob Cassidy has a Q&A out that combines with 4DT
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Why are you doing Q&A with envelopes? Learn an oracle and do it for real. "jump without the rope"
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Q&A 2000 and 21st Century Q&A both by Bob Cassidy is what you are looking for.

Regarding to your question, I don't think it's overkilled, but you should estructure your entire act around Q&A and 4DT only.
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On Aug 26, 2016, Smoking Camel wrote:
Why are you doing Q&A with envelopes? Learn an oracle and do it for real. "jump without the rope"


Of course... this act would be considered dynamite mentalism!
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Why are you doing Q&A with envelopes? Learn an oracle and do it for real. "jump without the rope"


You should tell Bob he's doing it wrong.
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Yes, it is an overkill
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I recall Bob Cassidy saying that he often fuses the two routines into one Smile

(but not as separate pieces of the same act, they would probably feel way too similar, he use 4DT in place of his Q&A for his small shows)
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Yes, it is an overkill


Why? I guess if you perform the routines separately (4DT first, then Q&A) that would feel overkilled, but if they're fused into one routine, it seems ok.
Again, Bob published the way he do this, but I guess you already knew that so...Why?
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On Aug 26, 2016, Smoking Camel wrote:
Why are you doing Q&A with envelopes? Learn an oracle and do it for real. "jump without the rope"


You should tell Bob he's doing it wrong.


Nah - Bob would simply say well, that's what a real mind reader would do.
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Get Luke Jermays latest DVD set - you will see how he transitions from a 3 person telepathy routine to a Q&A routine with no issues. Of course, Luke's not using envelopes for any of it, but he gives some good direction about how the telepathy spills over into Q&A.
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Can you tell the name of lukes dvd?
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In short, I believe also firmly that it is an overkill. Think of your audience... How what they perceive it? Could they tell somebody else in one sentence what they have experienced? Besides that, Q&A is a cultural thing. In Middle Europe people are more reluctant and get quite fast bored... Quite risky to do it over here. And I talk by a lot of experience. Colleagues over here have seen my very own take of 4DT quite frequently ("Schooltime" which is also very different by method, you will find it in my upcoming book in English...) and certainly would agree that I would loose a great deal of its impact by overloading it. Jan
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Jan, what specifically about the audiences causes them to be bored? I presume it has nothing to do with the performer? Just curious?
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Again, I say it is also a cultural thing. People get bored as I give one person a reading, it does not concern anybody else. People do not like in tendency to "discuss" private things in public. Esoteric themes are far less popular than in the states e. g. It is a different cultural background and education, unfortunately also in quality what is not a compliment (for a part of Americans). Readings/Q&A you still can do, but then more in private sessions. Here people (apart that you get a pre selection, who comes, who attends...) are less hesitant to open themselves. Jan
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Thanks Jan, interesting.
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My pleasure. I still enjoy to see a well performed Q&A - and I have seen it! People who attended mindvention a few years ago could have exprienced "Cashetta`s" act, and that was probably the best performance I have seen ever concerning "Q&A"! Jan
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I think that the only conflict is the method. I feel that 4DT would establish your credibility, bot I have a problem with the use of envelopes in both routines.
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Jan, what specifically about the audiences causes them to be bored? I presume it has nothing to do with the performer? Just curious?

I am not Jan, but I am quite sure, it has all to do with the performer.
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Get Luke Jermays latest DVD set ...

This is a very goog tip. But do not consult this DVD for the method, because the method is irrelevant.
Consult it for the premise and premonition - no wonder, that this is also the title of this DVD-Box

"Premise and Premonition" by Luke Jermay at www.vanishinginc.com
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