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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I have BBM 3 Ultimate Self Working Card tricks DVDs
I think [the few tricks I have seen so far] are amazing I feel like I need some other tricks [not cards] – to cover switches of deck, or just to change pace I think the tricks need to also be pretty much self-working But I would say things like coin tricks, or such like. I find it confusing as anytime a trick is lauded, I then read through the 18 pages in the ‘Latest and Greatest’ forum, and it ends up with ppl saying the copy is misleading, they are not sleight free, the gimmick needs replacing, not as good as x/y – etc I’m finding it hard as the blurb is always how great it is. The film of the performances are always cut to shreds and don’t show what the effects really are. It’s almost like companies are using the ‘not revealing the method’ as an excuse to over promise [almost lie] on the effect. I saw a variation on OOTW – it looked amazing, until I saw a full performance video – where it was obviously just a gimmick deck, and most the video [promo] was of tricks that weren’t really performable. But that’s a card trick I will give some examples But if anyone has good suggestions Money isn’t an issue They just need to be very good effects – and a way to move onto the next set up deck As most of the stuff I do will be self-working card tricks I guess I would be a parlour magician [if I were to categorise where/how/to whom I do them… though magician might be stretching it] Thanks for any advice |
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Fair Play by Steve Haynes & Inferno by Bobby Hasbun
Fair Play * I worry about how to get the person to open the thing the correct [of three] ways - audience control |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
Http://themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic......orum=218
whoops that's fair play Anyway - any other suggestions for me to look at? Thanks |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Your "problem" appears to be "over the counter magic".
You cannot buy or even own, "magic". You cannot buy a"trick" either. Magic exists only in the spectator(s) mind. A "trick", like music, only exists while it is being performed. (Stop dragging the rosined horsehair over the taut catgut, and the music ceases!) IMHO there aint no such thing as a "self working trick"! (There may be no sleight of hand skills needed (here comes the BUT!) But, the magician MUST perform the trick with a GOOD PRESENTATION! If the trick is well presented, the magic will "happen" in the mind(s) of the spectator(s)! The "EFFECT" IS ONLY WHAT THE SPECTATOR(S) PERCEIVE. (You can't buy an "effect", either!!! "Magic" is 5% sleight of hand skills,, 5% sensory illusions, 5% esoteric science principles, and 85% PSYCHOLOGY! Magic dealers, are salesmen! They sell "dreams"!!! --Did you ever see "The Music Man"? ("76 trombones!)? HE sold "dreams"! If you want to be a MAGICIAN (not just a guy who does some tricks) you must STUDY. ("There aint no such thing as free lunch"!) Some people on the Café will suggest "A new, improved OOTW" "by" "somebody". (Price: $50.) You need to decide whether you want to be a MAGICIAN, OR, a guy who "does tricks". The best way to learn to be a magician, is to READ, and, STUDY, BOOKS, written by qualified MAGICIANS! (TARBELL, for example.) It also helps to "have" a MENTOR. A mentor, must be qualified! --"NEMO DAT QUOD NON HABET"! (that's Latin, for: NO ONE CAN GIVE WHAT HE DOES NOT HAVE! I've performed (for $$$) since I was 13, in 1945. Twenty years later, I "switched" from being a part time professional, to being a full time professional. After about 50 years, I retired. There's nothing wrong with being an amateur. BTW! You used the objective case of "who" correctly, but, you used the wrong preposition ("to"). One performs "for" someone, not "to" someone!!!!!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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macc Loyal user 203 Posts |
This!
And you can´t get around learning sleights (especially if you want to perform coin magic). Don´t see it as a barrier. It´s actually fun to learn sleights. I guess the ootw you are referring to is "cosmos duo"? Yes, it uses a gimmicked deck...but the deck is very easy to handle and the effect is really strong. Here are a few recommendations for beginner tricks: Scotch and soda (gimmicked, a very cool and easy coin trick) Magic with a thumbtip (!!!! vanishing silks, cigarettes...making 1 dollar into a 100 dollar bill...and many other tings) Professors nightmare (an easy but very great rope trick) Cut and restored rope Crazy mans handcuffs (imho the best rubberband trick, easy) Extreme burn (gimmick...which you have to construct, but easy to do) Pen through bill Ashes on palm Invisible deck (a card trick...but a classic and very easy) sponge balls pen or pencil by Michael chatelain ring flight torn and restored newspaper Sharpie through card by peter nardi (can be used to switch a deck) |
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macc Loyal user 203 Posts |
Sweet penetration (fooled penn and teller)
turbo stick by richard sanders lubors lens by paul Harris pressure by daniel garcia & dan white puncture by alex linian saw by sean fields |
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
You can't learn an amazing trick. However you obtain the trick, you supply the amazement yourself through your presentation. To paraphrase "The Gambler," that great song by Kenny Rogers:
Every trick's a winner, and every trick's a loser. |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I don't recommend learniNg any specific TRICKS!
I recommend learning PRINCIPLES! The TARBELL COURSE IN MAGIC will help you learn PRINCIPLES. It's not cheap! Here comes the "but": BUT, Tarbell is an INVESTMENT that will pay DIVIDENDS!!! Much of my professional act, that has helped make my living for 50 years, came, originally, from Tarbell. I updated and revised the PRESENTATIONS. (Tarbell was originally written 90 years ago! --The patter and presentation were "up to date", then! Much of the "latest and greatest" can be traced to Tarbell! Moral::: GO TO THE PRIME SOURCE!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
Thanks for everyone's help
Strangely although I am new to magic [sort of] My patter, presentation of the effects - is not something that worries me too much. By that I mean, I feel I have a 'voice' So I'm aware that if I start off with simple tricks [that need very little sleight/skill] - then I can present them in a way that works for me I say this as I made my living performing [not magic] both on screen and solo theatrical shows I'm just looking at performing for friends/family – as I have more time now, and so have weekly social meet ups [with friends] But I do take Dick Oslund’s point A good friend of mine [to this day] who I went to school with, is a ‘real’ magician. My father was just one of those people who have confidence in anything and everything he did. My friend was performing magic full time [professionally] and was at that time one of the lead performers in a primetime terrestrial TV show. He also worked on the first few series of probably one of [if not the] UK’s biggest [best known] magicians. So he was a working/living magician. My father I probably remember him doing a few card tricks, maybe once or twice, ever. Anyway, one day, my dad proceeded to blow my friend away – by doing some effects for him. Still to this day, my friend mentions that day – and how amazing the effects were, and how he couldn’t work them out. He made that impression on this guy, forever. I know for a fact that my dad did NOT practice for hours. It was all in the confidence and the performance. He managed to elevate some simple bits of business, in such a way as to fool someone who is at the cutting edge of the business. So I do know what you mean Dick. The magic is created by the performer. By the moments that are made, the pauses, the timber of the voice, the moment of the reveal… the release of a funny line… etc I’m just looking for a few tricks – that I think I can sell. That are very simple. I just want a transition, to go from one deck to another. I wasn't saying I want to find tricks that do all the selling for me. By self working - I mean, I want to have simple things that I can relax and sell/perform |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
So far I have done the first four self-working tricks from BBM ultimate DVD 1
But I have played them, as me, to my group. So for instance I did Henry Sugar [Liam M trick] I didn’t use Liam’s story at all I used my own – that I knew would both work for me, and connect with the intended ‘victim’ [I’m mean spec] The reaction was very strong, and it was nice to bump into the spec a week later and have him say [in his own wording] he was still fried |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
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On Aug 30, 2016, The Duster wrote: Although it's a great story If I had of used Henry Sugar - it would have weakened the effect as my presentation [for me] was much more personal and 'real' Of course the trick and 'moves' were all the exact same, it was just the words I used were completely different I'm obviously only doing bits of magic, for fun, and much of the fun - is creating my own performance [yes I have 'stolen' Liam brilliant trick] so maybe it's like doing Karaoke and not trying to sound like the original artist but doing it in your own 'voice' |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
Back on topic,
I used suggestions from this thread and have found other items from searching/researching them. So thanks for all the suggestions. So far I have bought: “FOB” by David Penn And “Rock, Paper, Lies” by jay di biase And I’m still looking/thinking about “Priceless” by Michel Huot and Richard Sanders Any/all of these should give me an easy deck switch So I can do, 1 trick with set up deck 1 trick with the deck messed up [from the previous trick] One of the bought tricks above Finish on a final card trick from a switched set up deck That’s a nice length too Anyway – any more suggestions do keep them coming Thanks to everyone for their help |
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts |
You have enough... Work on doing them well, that should keep you busy for a few months at least.
P! |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I think you are correct
The proof in those wise words are, I have the BBM 3 vols of self working card tricks I have had them for a good time now I'm still only 4 tricks in, on the first vol [28 tricks to go] Today I'm going back and looking at the first one again, making notes - as I seem to practice one, to perform... then forget it a bit when I'm rehearse the next ones... so cheat sheets - to help me keep running through them, seems to be the answer Thanks |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Frankly, I don't care WHAT you have bought,
"...But I have played them as me to my group..." For some reason, you are stuck on the preposition, "to". "But I do take Dick's point." "So I do know what you mean Dick." You spend a thousand words telling us about what you have bought! I don't think that you grasped my point. I don't think that you know what I mean. You are still "stuck" on "over the counter magic".
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I'm much happier performing 'to' an audience
That is bringing my voice/presentation and expecting them to come to me I hate acts [magic/singers/etc] I have seen who insist on performing 'for' an audience, and bend and break to pander and please As then you get the same watered down acts, mainstream, all of one note/colour Take your performance 'to' an audience, and hope they meet you half way. It will be way more personal/exciting, fresh, and interesting And 'over the counter', 'off the grey market' - it's what you bring to the effects that is important I saw Paul Daniels doing the three cups routine, god that is a boring routine, my goodness how amazing did he make it. He really did perform that 'to' us - as an exceptional piece of business |
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mrsmiles Elite user 442 Posts |
Hello Duster,
I 'get' your position in all this: You want self-working tricks so that you can do them easily & concentrate on performance rather than method... you want (in more or less your own words) to present them in your own way and in your own voice. You want to work on them. So they're not self working really and you're not simply 'buying' magic. That's all great therefore... that's magic and that's being a magician. Your citation of the Henry Sugar trick is a fine illustration that you are doing magic because you are creating your OWN presentation & this has led to creating MAGIC for your audience (which is what Dick is saying magicians, wisely & correctly, should do). I get the sense that you are looking to buy tricks NOT to simply recite them parrot fashion in exactly the same way more or less as packaged/bought or with very little added to them from you - but that you WILL very much add your own presentation, your own voice. You will make them 'yours'. With that in mind I can recommend an excellent series of dvds for you which are all 'self-working' which are very light on card tricks (one volume even has NO card tricks at all which met my requirements for needing a balanced/varied set) & where virtually everything is VERY good. That series is the 'Automata' series (Gary Jones). I think this may well suit you down to the ground & you'd home in on a few routines to make your own. There's one in there that I have already put in my set and which I present in a very different way. I have noted at least 4 routines that I will use when I tire of anything from my current set or when it is simply time to refresh or try something new. If you do get them, let me know what you think. I believe volume 3 has literally just come out so I cannot comment on that one. I only have volumes 1 & 2. They're excellent in my humble opinion. Good luck!
mrsmiles
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
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On Sep 2, 2016, mrsmiles wrote: Excellent suggestion I have begun my 'research' into the DVDs I will update you on my thinking as I go But super thanks for pointing the way towards them |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
My thoughts on Automata so far
Well first off – I haven’t got it [yet] I have ordered it – as it was going rather cheap and I thought for a few pounds I can’t go wrong But here’s my thinking on the DVD Of the effects I was left ‘cold’ by most of the descriptions Also I had no interest in any of the card ones [as I have more than enough self-working card tricks to get through with the BBM volumes] The only two that held any interest are below, I wasn’t sure if this was because they were the only ones to have live videos on YouTube [?] or if the reason they had clips was because they are the ‘better’ effects in the package? |
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