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On Oct 3, 2016, Ray Chelt wrote:
You're missing the point Kissadookie.

My problem is him using the missing plane as publicity.

A bit like that Kreskin saying he predicted 911.

Do these idiots not realise the sensitivity of the subject they are dealing with. Or do they just not care.


Fair point but on the flip side, he was essentially trying to crowd source theories and ideas which may possibly have been useful for the authorities as it may have helped lead them thinking in certain directions which they did not previously.

That is one of the functions of social media now, crowd sourcing. Granted this undoubtedly provided Uri with some more public exposure thus could be looked at as "marketing" but perhaps this was the only logical out he could have used (and if it was, a very good and clever one) to avoid having to say "Nope, can't do it." Think about that, if he straight up said "nope, can't do it" that leads to the the possibility of his character having visible cracks now or people (laypeople) may misinterpret that as him being a total arrogant uncaring ******.
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Ok you like the guy and will try and justify.

I actually like him as well but he crosses the line for me too much.

Still the point in question is this DVD set and what a magician purchasing it is likely yo get from it.
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Ok you like the guy and will try and justify.

I actually like him as well but he crosses the line for me too much.

Still the point in question is this DVD set and what a magician purchasing it is likely yo get from it.


Kind of indifferent about Uri tbh. I've just noticed since Derren Brown came on the scene, folks tended to go completely in the other way from anything that may even remotely be esoteric and/or mystical/psychic/etc. For Uri's days when he was at his peak, I think he just milked what he could for that time period when there was a lot of interest in such things. I haven't seen or heard of him going around talking to the dead or anything like that or trying to find a missing person, which would have been crossing the line.

Lastly, for a mentalist, just hearing Uri's stories and talk about his life would likely be very educational (lots of anecdotes one can take the ideas and concepts of and turn it into vital lines in ones scripting for example). For the magicians, unless they are a Uri Geller fan, I don't see magicians finding all that much value if he is not teaching material.
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He conned the world in to believing he had real powers refused to be associated with magicians turned down invitations to the Magic Circle draw your own conclusions as to why
So now he is trying to con you out of your money (in fact a lot of money) to tell you nothing that you don't already know


So it's a con that a performer chooses to essentially stay in character virtually all day every day? If he is associated with magicians or go participate at the Magic Circle, that introduces the possibility that people may start viewing him differently, how people view him is his "secret weapon."

How is him doing what he does any different than Christian Bale living off a few measly apples a day in order to become anorexic for his role in The Machinist? How is it any different than Joaquin Phoenix acting all strange and crazy on all public appearances for over a year or so in order to make I'm Still Here?

Has Uri used what he has to tell people what their dead grandmothers are saying to so and so? Telling people how they should live their life because he senses XYZ? No, he entertains. That's it.

The greatest advantage a mentalist has over a magician is going to be this public opinion that one has plausibility whilst the other is purely tricks. Uri just took that notion of plausibility and ran with it. We call mentalism and magic forms of art, now you're just brushing away the work a artist has put in to make his art the best he can? When did the world suddenly give you the power to dictate how a performer should or should not perform within reason?

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He conned the world in to believing he had real powers refused to be associated with magicians turned down invitations to the Magic Circle draw your own conclusions as to why
So now he is trying to con you out of your money (in fact a lot of money) to tell you nothing that you don't already know



This is just what I don't get..a bunch of magicians paying money to hear how he isn't a magician whilst watching a demonstration of his powers.

He's a decent performer who got lucky landing in the Stanford Research Institute before they knew better and then building on that immense good luck.

But his fake psychic stuff is all well and good until it gets into the missing persons publicity nonsense which is , to me, inherently distasteful and morally repugnant.

I'm sure he's lovely in person though.



He didn't go and try to divine what happened to the missing plane. He absolutely did not do so. How is he being deceptive? If anything, he actually handled the situation very well. He didn't overstep his boundaries there and go proclaiming that he can use his powers to find the plane.


Let's put it this way. Banachek has a disclaimer of sorts for what he does... yet his implication to the audience is that he creates the illusion of a 6th sense by using the existing 5. That if you think about it is the equivalent of having super powers. You've combined existing sense to create the illusion of a 6th sense. It doesn't matter if you said it's an illusion, the whole statement is pretty much nonsensical to laypeople. Does it really matter that Banachek has shared his material with the rest of the community? Does that make him better versus Uri where it counts, lay audiences? Not saying one is better than the other by the way. Ones material is ones material, one can share or not share, it's their material. There's no rule that dictates one must share ones material with the community.


Lots of good points, but the comparison to Christian Bale and Joaquin Phoenix is disingenuous. They both use method acting to get into a role, and use to to slowly ease out of the role after finishing a performance. They have had set periods of being in character, but obviously Joaquin isn't chasing the dream of being a rapper today, he even came on to Letterman to apologize once his performance was over, and christian isn't anorexic. They both have had lengthy periods of really being themselves, implying their performances weren't "real", but was meant to feel real for a piece of art. Daniel Day Lewis is the king of method acting, sometimes committing a year of his life before filming just to adjust to a character, but he clearly can be seen anywhere over the web as himself, he isn't living as Lincoln anymore. Method actors go through intense periods of change to form a geniune piece of art, but under the understanding that the performance only lasts for a limited time.

The only danger in this process is risking their own lives and personal relationships. Matt damon, Matthew Mcconaughey, Michael Fassender and Christian bale suffered physically because of strict diets, Matt damon in particular had to take medication for years after starving himself for a role. and others like Heath Ledger suffered mentally (and unfortunately with his life.. R.I.P). This performance art doesn't have the wider ramifications that other arts can...

However there are many who claim psychic abilities (while actually using techniques found in the art of mentalism), like Sylvia Browne/Peter Popoff/Sally Morgan, and their performance (which seems to have no end) has had a significant impact on the lives of innocent people seeking help. Sylvia has "aided" police with missing person reports, getting it completely wrong and in the process putting innocent parents through mental torture. Peter used suggestion to convince very ill people they had been healed through unconventional methods, only to damage their quality of life. There is a far greater danger of wider damage when it comes to miss using this art, and people who feel uncomfortable with how Uri portrays himself day to day have logical rationale and other case studies to base their feelings on.

Uri is harmless really I think, what ramifications are there when he claims he can really bend a spoon with his mind? probably none worth noting. But this art suffers from an incredibly murky ethical line, and when you do hold up a performance for a life time, it becomes easier to cross this line and do harm which is for a lack of a better term, somewhat evil. I don't think Uri ever crossed this line, but the missing plane incident was an example of lay people putting faith in the wrong place, giving power to someone who we know should hold no authority on that particular matter. How is a lay audience meant to know (if they truly believe the performance) that Uri couldn't help by using his "psychic abilities"?

Uri is one of a kind, he comes off as humble, charming, kind hearted and ultimately an icon to some. But I understand why people like Randi feel extremely uncomfortable with Uri's claims, it doesn't take an evil person to do cross that line, even by accident, and end up with a damaging result.

Most of this post isn't really directed at you in particular Kissdadookie, I went off on a tangent while typing up the first section. But feel free to respond to the whole thing
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Lots of good points, but the comparison to Christian Bale and Joaquin Phoenix is disingenuous. They both use method acting to get into a role, and use to to slowly ease out of the role after finishing a performance. They have had set periods of being in character, but obviously Joaquin isn't chasing the dream of being a rapper today, he even came on to Letterman to apologize once his performance was over, and christian isn't anorexic. They both have had lengthy periods of really being themselves, implying their performances weren't "real", but was meant to feel real for a piece of art. Daniel Day Lewis is the king of method acting, sometimes committing a year of his life before filming just to adjust to a character, but he clearly can be seen anywhere over the web as himself, he isn't living as Lincoln anymore. Method actors go through intense periods of change to form a geniune piece of art, but under the understanding that the performance only lasts for a limited time.

The only danger in this process is risking their own lives and personal relationships. Matt damon, Matthew Mcconaughey, Michael Fassender and Christian bale suffered physically because of strict diets, Matt damon in particular had to take medication for years after starving himself for a role. and others like Heath Ledger suffered mentally (and unfortunately with his life.. R.I.P). This performance art doesn't have the wider ramifications that other arts can...

However there are many who claim psychic abilities (while actually using techniques found in the art of mentalism), like Sylvia Browne/Peter Popoff/Sally Morgan, and their performance (which seems to have no end) has had a significant impact on the lives of innocent people seeking help. Sylvia has "aided" police with missing person reports, getting it completely wrong and in the process putting innocent parents through mental torture. Peter used suggestion to convince very ill people they had been healed through unconventional methods, only to damage their quality of life. There is a far greater danger of wider damage when it comes to miss using this art, and people who feel uncomfortable with how Uri portrays himself day to day have logical rationale and other case studies to base their feelings on.

Uri is harmless really I think, what ramifications are there when he claims he can really bend a spoon with his mind? probably none worth noting. But this art suffers from an incredibly murky ethical line, and when you do hold up a performance for a life time, it becomes easier to cross this line and do harm which is for a lack of a better term, somewhat evil. I don't think Uri ever crossed this line, but the missing plane incident was an example of lay people putting faith in the wrong place, giving power to someone who we know should hold no authority on that particular matter. How is a lay audience meant to know (if they truly believe the performance) that Uri couldn't help by using his "psychic abilities"?

Uri is one of a kind, he comes off as humble, charming, kind hearted and ultimately an icon to some. But I understand why people like Randi feel extremely uncomfortable with Uri's claims, it doesn't take an evil person to do cross that line, even by accident, and end up with a damaging result.

Most of this post isn't really directed at you in particular Kissdadookie, I went off on a tangent while typing up the first section. But feel free to respond to the whole thing


Nailed it. It is indeed the lack of dangerous ramifications for what Uri does versus what the real charlatans are doing.

As for method acting, agreed, but Uri Gellar only ever had to be this one character so he's been in character for goodness knows how many decades now. That is worth applauding (even though I'm neither fan or hater of Uri) when someone can literally dedicate their life to their art/craft.
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I haven't seen or heard of him going around talking to the dead or anything like that or trying to find a missing person, which would have been crossing the line.

in 1992, Geller was asked to investigate the kidnapping of Hungarian model Helga Farkas: he predicted she would be found alive and in good health, but she was never found and is widely believed to have been murdered by her kidnappers.[57]


Geller was described as "a millionaire several times over", and claimed to be performing mineral dowsing services for mining groups at a standard fee of £1 million.[22] In June 1986 the Australian Skeptic reported that Geller had been paid A$350,000 and granted an option of 1,250,000 Zanec shares at 20c each until 5 June 1987.[23]
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I haven't seen or heard of him going around talking to the dead or anything like that or trying to find a missing person, which would have been crossing the line.

in 1992, Geller was asked to investigate the kidnapping of Hungarian model Helga Farkas: he predicted she would be found alive and in good health, but she was never found and is widely believed to have been murdered by her kidnappers.[57]


Geller was described as "a millionaire several times over", and claimed to be performing mineral dowsing services for mining groups at a standard fee of £1 million.[22] In June 1986 the Australian Skeptic reported that Geller had been paid A$350,000 and granted an option of 1,250,000 Zanec shares at 20c each until 5 June 1987.[23]


Was not aware of those events, I see why Randi went after him then.
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I haven't seen or heard of him going around talking to the dead or anything like that or trying to find a missing person, which would have been crossing the line.

in 1992, Geller was asked to investigate the kidnapping of Hungarian model Helga Farkas: he predicted she would be found alive and in good health, but she was never found and is widely believed to have been murdered by her kidnappers.[57]


Geller was described as "a millionaire several times over", and claimed to be performing mineral dowsing services for mining groups at a standard fee of £1 million.[22] In June 1986 the Australian Skeptic reported that Geller had been paid A$350,000 and granted an option of 1,250,000 Zanec shares at 20c each until 5 June 1987.[23]


Was not aware of those events, I see why Randi went after him then.


Well I think Randi went after him a fair bit before this more questionable stuff.

The old spoil sport !
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Very interesting... I was unaware of this also... I presumed that he stuck to spoon bending.

I guess to quote Uncle Ben: "with great power, comes great responsibility".
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If you read through his facebook page, I reckon that is pretty much what you'll be getting in this dvd set...lots of it...

don't get me wrong, he was great when he first appeared in the states and elsewhere, as uri the spoon bender...but when he got into the missing persons thing, the oil rigs, the dowsing, just went too far...go back a 100 years, he would have been a god...and he probably was in the 1970s and 1980s to be honest..

one of my favourite books is MindReach the puthoff and targ stuff...

but £115 for three dvds of positive energy, name dropping and a bent, signed spoon? naaah...

he's contributed a lot to mentalism for sure...
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I gotta ask though, as an artist, how far is too far? To go through a person's life time of work, stories, and learn from the legend for £115, doesn't sound too bad to me.
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Everyone seems to be into being "Bold", and employing ballsy methods, etc..
Well good old Uri sure proved that he has a set made of brass.

In his ad copy he quotes...drum roll please...Randi!

"The man is a natural magician. He does everything with great care, meticulous misdirection and flawless instinct. The nails are real, the keys are really borrowed, the envelopes are actually sealed, there are no stooges, there are no secret radio devices and there are no props from the magic catalogues. He is a consummate performer, and had he arrived in true colors as a conjurer, he'd have found no more ardent supporter than this magician."
- James Randi


Now...I share this with a smile, and a nod, for obvious reasons.

I think those two were the best thing ever to happen to either.
Ironically, I think those two names will forever be married.
Historical salt and pepper shakers.

Anyone else remember his exploits with the National Enquirer?
He was PT Barnum with his stunts.
Flying over the U.S. bending spoons all over lol.

I am not a fan of his, but far from a hater.
I'm not informed enough on his history to speak to the missing person stuff. That is sleazy to say the least, regardless of who's pitching it.

But, he sure is slick...making a signed spoon his hook to sell the DVD's.
Kinda impressive marketing.

I'm not even considering getting this, but I would love a signed spoon if he reads this Smile

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Ok, just glanced back at the ad copy, and this raised an eyebrow..

"All Uri Geller's proceeds from sales of his Trilogy will be donated by him to ill children."

Sorry to be cynical by nature, but this begs for a bit more explanation imo.
I can only hope it's true, he does seem to be a kind person...but...but...but...


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Uri may have done some questionable things in the past but I think he's a genuinely kind human being and I'm not surprised he would donate the proceeds.
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Hey guys,
Most of your concerns (plus more) in this thread, is aleeady covered in the interview.

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Only in a Uri style!

Straight forward question, will he be admitting to being a mentalist and showing people the specific physical techniques he employed?

Thanks 😊
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I remember seeing Uri on TV back when I was a small kid, and then spending countless hours staring at spoons while trying to bend them with my mind. I also remember seeing him in various publications at the time. I also remember how everyone was completely amazed by him. Now I've got a totally different perspective, however, I'm still looking forward to seeing this DVD set. I think it would be great to meet the man and shake his hand, as he's been a huge influence on so many performers.
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I am ordering this only to get the Signed Spoon Smile
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Could this not have been named 'Showmanship secrets of Uri Geller?
Of course it might sell less.
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The first DVD states that it is a lecture. Has anyone got any idea what type of lecture as Uri Geller does many types of lectures and all very different?
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