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MrWizard Inner circle Conjured The Illusion Of 1039 Posts |
I would like opinions on both Testor's Dullcoat 1260 VS Krylon Matte Finish 1311 for roughing cards. I am having a very hard time finding Testor's Dullcoat 1260 anyplace still looking hope to find it. But found Krylon Matte Finish 1311 easily at Walmart huge can for $3.86. I would like to know the best one to use. I am not sure the Krylon will work as well as Testor's Dullcoat 1260. Has anyone actually had both and tested the difference in the final results in a comparison test? Before I start to ruin many cards what is the way they should be applied for best results. Like how far away should the can be when spraying and is it suggested just a very light one time misting or apply 2 or 3 light coats. Any opinions on which one of the 2 has the best end results and tips on how to apply these is very much appreciated.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
A good book to check out http://www.lybrary.com/magicians-diy-tip......831.html (lists both that you mention as equal) when I spray my own cards, I use a tray I bought to hold the cards and it helps the application process http://www.card-shark.de/iphone/showitem......rtID=136 it comes with instructions something like "a light coat 3-6" away and 2 seconds per row...(something to that effect) I think it is best to do a very light, fast coat. You can always add when it dries if enough is not covered but too much will ruin your cards.
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MrWizard Inner circle Conjured The Illusion Of 1039 Posts |
Thanks I'll check out that DYI book looks like it has lots of good info in it. The tray idea is excellent. I was wondering about the card flying around when spraying them that would fix that problem.
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MrWizard Inner circle Conjured The Illusion Of 1039 Posts |
Hope to hear from others that have used both Testor's Dullcoat 1260 and Krylon Matte Finish 1311 what they have experienced with them and how to apply them successfully. Are they both the same or one better than the other for finish and durability. Seen someone say depending on what it is used on Krylon doesn't seem to ever cure completely and has a sticky feel. Don't know if that is the case when used on cards. I called Testor's today which is now owned by Rustoleum to ask if this product 1260 was even still made as it is no place to be found around here. They said yes but it is true the label is different only place it says Dullcoat is on a sticker on the cap and it is 1260T. Said sold at Hobby Lobby Lobby and Micheal's. I called both places they said no they don't have it. Search continues.
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Russ Martin New user Omaha, Nebraska 76 Posts |
I have used Rustoleum 249087 "Matte Clear" with excellent results, especially renewing old R/S cards/decks.
Lately, I prefer Harry Robson's "Roughing Stick" for new applications.
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On The Offbeat Loyal user 287 Posts |
My advice is to forget the sprays, that's old technology.
Go with Robson's roughing stick. No mess, no fuss, no fumes, no drying time, and a stick will last forever. But the best part is it simply works much better, and you only need to have one card treated rather than pairs. |
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Julie Inner circle 3936 Posts |
For I.D.'s you might want to check the new Superior Invisible (Red) Playing Cards. Factory made, work extremely well and are supposed to last a very long time. Why waste time spraying, etc.?
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Bill08 Special user Montreal 719 Posts |
I prefer Testers Dullcoat,- better than Krylon. I think Krylon is a bit cheaper, but I never got a good stick from it. Testors is usually carried at Hobby Stores, I think my old cans are 1260 C or E, but any 1260 should work well. You do have to spray both cards for an effective grip. Hold the can 1 ft away and it should take about 5 seconds to spray a full deck (52 sides)
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MrWizard Inner circle Conjured The Illusion Of 1039 Posts |
I would definitely prefer to use the roughing stick for all those reasons but doesn't the card feel waxy or different than the roughing spray. Does the stick not leave a coating how can it last forever. Would seem harder to separate them when needed. Humm only one card needs treated not pairs doesn't residue rub off on adjacent card then? Seen Magick Balay on video instruction say he prefers to still use the spray vs the stick. I guess I better get one to find out love the fact no smell or waiting to dry. Thanks for recommending it.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Just try the stick and you'll be pleasantly surprised.
But keep in mind that just like the spray, it does take a wee bit of experimentation to find the sweet spot. It doesn't take much so use sparingly. I find it doesn't last on the cards quite as long as spray does, but that doen't matter because it takes all of a half second to reapply it. You could even do it between tables at a restaurant gig. Let me put it this way, in my case it replaced a $100 can of Science Friction so I must really like it. |
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SvenSigma Regular user Germany 151 Posts |
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On Oct 11, 2016, videoman wrote: Good to know that, I'm on the verge of testing Science Friction for a while now. Might go for the roughing stick first. Except that the video you get with the can of Science Friction might be interesting as well...
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TheGreenT New user 22 Posts |
I've tried dozens of different sprays, anything with words like "clear matt varnish" or "clear matt laquer" will rough cards in varying qualities. Some sprays work better with different card finishes, so the end result will be a combination of the spray / card finish.
I've used Krylon but while I can't specifically remember the feel off that one out of all the ones I've used I do know I've always prefered using Testors Dullcote. Then there's roughing sticks of course. They're much more convenient to use, but I prefer the finish you get from a spray. If Testors isn't easy to find, just use Krylon Spray from about 8 inches away, one slow pass over the cards to give them a light coating. Start the spray off the cards then pass it over, this prevents clumping of the spray on the first card. If there's not enough applied you can always put a second coat on, but you can't remove it easily so best not to go too heavy if you're not sure. |
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Mark Boody Illusionist Inner circle 1366 Posts |
Mr Wizard
I was in my local Hobby Lobby last night and did find Testor 1260 Dullcoat there. Best of luck Mark
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Stanyon Inner circle Landrum, S.C. by way of Chicago 3433 Posts |
The reason I've been using Krylon Matte Finish 1311, for the last 30 years, is because it was meant to be used as an art fixative (pencils, charcoals, pastels) on paper, and to take the shine off glossy photos. Testor's 1260 Dullcoat is meant to dull the finish on model paints (enamels/lacquers). Rustoleum "anything" is meant for garden furniture and items that are subjected to weather. Don't even get me started on hairspray's! The only thing I use is Krylon 1311...Testor's 1260 in a pinch. People can handle the cards and find nothing. (Your mileage may vary.)
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MrWizard Inner circle Conjured The Illusion Of 1039 Posts |
Stanyon: excellent information on the what these sprays were originally designed to use for. I finally got the really small can of Testors Dullcote 1260 so now have both the Krylon & Testors and will also get the roughing stick suggested so I will have every option to try out sometime. Only one I will not be buying is the $100 can of Science Friction that is an insane price.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
Science friction is very good and unfortunately, people think it costs $100 a can (when in reality, it does not). For your $100 - you get the can of spray several templates for spraying certain types of cards(10-20$ value). A dvd of about 3 hours teaching effects and how to use the spray for making your own gaffs and gaff decks (30 - 40 $). A very nice card wallet that holds several pre-made cards (or packet trick Is what I use mine for. I carry 9 different packet tricks in mine with anywhere from 3 to 5 cards each. A solid 20-25 $) and a Phoenix gaff deck (15$) and access to their website for more ideas from users. You can also buy "refill cans" at a significantly lower cost after registering. There are other products that do a similar job but I have tested the spray side by side with Science Friction and SF is a clear cut winner. Add the fact that you only spray part of every other card for an invisible deck rather that 1 full side of each card with Testors and SF lasts you a lot longer.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
MrWizard, I did find the can I used last January with that tray set I linked you too. I actually used Testors (I got mine from Walmart) I made a Mental Photography out of Phoenix Brand Cards (they don't carry one, so I made one myself). They are still holding out well (as most decks do) and I do not notice any difference in the finish of the sprayed sides. There is also no odor (nor was there after it originally dried when I made them).
I learned of the Testors being used years ago when I bought a can of "Rough King" from a Magic Max store and peeled the label off to find it was just taped around a Testors can (and at about triple the price).
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MrWizard Inner circle Conjured The Illusion Of 1039 Posts |
Poof-Daddy, That is great to hear you don't notice any difference of the sides that got the spray that's cause you did a great job. Also glad to hear there is no smell after they dried. I expected they would have a lingering smell being it is a lacquer based product which would really be Gaffed & Funky. Walmart around here doesn't stock Testors in the store but you can have it ordered online. The shipping is more than the product. Hobby Lobby actually did have it in the store. Whoever I talked to on the phone didn't have a clue what I was talking about. Testors is $4.99 for 3 ounce can vs Krylon Matte Finish $3.49 for 11 ounce can for those that are keeping score.
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MrWizard Inner circle Conjured The Illusion Of 1039 Posts |
Forgot to mention I seen on this video review of Robson's "Roughing Stick" there is a feel noticed on the cards. And you can see there is residue left from stick even though the advertisement says no residue it surely can be seen on this video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zV06JtxiMt4
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SvenSigma Regular user Germany 151 Posts |
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On Oct 15, 2016, MrWizard wrote: Thanks for that link, I checked it. You really see the residue in the video... Ok, maybe Science Friction then. I have an ID made with this and you see nothing at all.
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