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cbguy Veteran user 350 Posts |
I would like to have a discussion about these two effects, preferably between people who actually use at least one of them regularly.
I am not interested in the opinion of anyone who has merely read the routine and never performed either of them. What, in your opinion are the pros and cons of each. I really like both, however, 4DT (1996) is much preferred because it has so little set up and is nearly as perfect as it can get. I also like 4.8 min but the reset time keeps me going back to 4DT Both get strong reactions and a lot of build up and by play. I guess at the end of the day 4DT takes the cake for less/no reset... BUT, I love 4.8, even more, despite the minor re-set. I'm really looking forward to some of your thoughts and experiences. |
tomd Special user 747 Posts |
Where can I find 4.8?
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1534 Posts |
I don't know what 4.8 is, but I perform 4DT a lot.
I don't really care about reset, because I only perform one show a day (stage) but if I had to perform 4DT more than once, I would just prepare a few sets of envelopes to perform it again and again. The strong points (for me) are: -You are looking at an original c*py of the participant's writing from beginning to end. -There's only one sw*tch that needs to be done. -You could stretch it to more than 3 spectators if you wanted to. -There's an built-in pe*k that is impossible to get caught at. -It gives you easily 15 to 20 solid minutes of stage time. -The props are cheap... and invisible. And I think I could go on and on... but since I don't really know what 4.8 is, I don't know if that's better or not. Best, Ever
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j100taylor Inner circle 1198 Posts |
4.8min by Looch? A walk around set - apples to oranges if that's what OP meant.
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Deano88 Veteran user Lincolnshire UK 377 Posts |
4.8mins is great , a real lesson in performing great mentalism for a table of people consisting of several routines in a set. 4DT is a single routine a great one at that but like it has already been said feels hard to make any comparison between the two.
I don't perform 4.8 exactly as the notes which eliminates a little bit of the rest. For me 4.8 is a template you can use to structure your own performance Dean |
Nestor D Special user France (Paris) 830 Posts |
You can avoid the reset for the first phase of 4.8 (the enveloppe) by using basic b****t work (using an effect that McLeod demonstrate at the end of his penguin lecture). There will still be the reset for the nod to pocketwatch but that reduce the problem quitte a bit
(and I would also not compare them, they have very different purposes) |
ibm_usa Special user In Your Mind, Ky, USA 722 Posts |
Have no idea what 4.8 is but 4DT I do have my own handling on that isn't too far fetched from the original so I don't worry too much about resets. I've taken a break from 4DT because my show is slowly going in a different direction and 4DT doesn't fit well.
If you really want - you can make 4DT its own act if you pace yourself and the patter fits although I have only done that once from what I can remember. 4DT at first for me was a little hard to conceptualize but I sucked it up one day and just went with it and up until now it was a staple major effect. Bob Cassidy is probably the one to talk to about 4DT.
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cbguy Veteran user 350 Posts |
To be clear, they are each excellent and I love both and use both close up as well as in a bigger show.
I bounce back and forth between them both and I make either of them last for as long or short as is desired. Usually 12 minutes tops for the venues I perform in. I can tell you something that will take 4DT to a level you never dreamed possible, if anyone is interested => "Boudoir" If you know what I'm talking about, you have solid gold and if you don't you want to find out about it because it takes 4DT to a whole new level. |
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CurtWaltermire Special user Curtis The Mentalist 505 Posts |
I know nothing about 4.8 really, but have performed 4DT for many years, and have experimented with it in many ways.
It's difficult to talk about the pros of it from my perspective without getting into things that should put this thread in "Inner Thoughts." Cbguy, are you talking about Docc Hilford's "Boudoir?"
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SolidSnake Special user 534 Posts |
First I think it's a bit of a strange question. The routines are nothing alike. I perform both regularly: mostly reserving 4DT for stage (although I do use it close up). 4.8 I have adapted for my own purposes and have very little reset - it is strictly a close up set that combines a number of effects.
As to similarities- close up : both are great for having an extended set and taking up very little pocket space. If using 4DT , I will first do one or two quicker openers to establish myself. The advantages of 4.8 is it is completely self contained.
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cbguy Veteran user 350 Posts |
CurtWaltermire...yessir
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cbguy Veteran user 350 Posts |
I assure you that 4.8 is "not" just for close up.
It takes very little creativity and you have a show that easily works for the stage. The question should have been revised, slightly on my behalf because I wasn't very clear and I apologize for that. I get equally strong reactions from both, but I think that's because of the presentational angle I took with them. 4DT has basically no set up/reset and 4.8 has a bit of a set up and a quick reset. I guess even though my original post wasn't as clear as it should have been, it has sparked some interesting conversation : ) I appreciate all of you. |
John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12968 Posts |
The question is warped. Why?
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Looch Inner circle Off by 3353 Posts |
I don't think we can really compare the 2... 4DT is a corner stone of mentalism, an absolute classic stage piece, whereas 4.8min was originally designed for a lecture I gave on 'minimalism' and routining in walk around mentalism.
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Next: let us compare the Prediction Chest versus the Pulse Stop. Which is better?
:) Ok seriously..... what are the metrics or evaluation criteria for comparing - I mean - you need some sort of rubric... e.g. portability, environments, # of people required, reset, props, $, etc, type of "effect", etc. and then again one can modify things like 4DT or 4.8 and make it personalized that the impact and effects will be different. For example, if its "mind reading" or "prediction" etc.... and then does the presentation support it. I like using a PW and a SUC and can slay with it.... stage or close up - BUT I know on stage its better to have the reveal more visible to a larger audience.....or using a participant to hold the paper that YOU read out (not them) (for many theatrical reasons).... etc... but if you let them read it out and the mumble etc. the impact is lower - but that isn't the fault of the core routine - its now the meta-factors to add impact and pizzaz.... IMHO But really, what is the link between 4DT versus 4.8 that you chose that versus 4DT versus anything else?
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cbguy Veteran user 350 Posts |
Metrics = audience response
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