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magicowner Regular user Los Angeles 114 Posts |
Is it true that it tends to be the less well-educated who believe in psychic phenomena, fortune tellers and zodiac signs, while the more educated believe in psychological influence techniques to appear psychic?
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
No.
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magicowner Regular user Los Angeles 114 Posts |
Thanks, Tom. I thought I read that somewhere (forgot where I read it), so just wanted to get thoughts from all here.
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Some interesting research here. According to the gallup poll, 31% of Americans believe in "telepathy/communication between minds without the traditional five senses", which I have to admit is lower than I would have expected.
Paranormal psychic believers and skeptics: a large-scale test of the cognitive differences hypothesis Authors: Stephen J. Gray, David A. Gallo Abstract Belief in paranormal psychic phenomena is widespread in the United States, with over a third of the population believing in extrasensory perception (ESP). Why do some people believe, while others are skeptical? According to the cognitive differences hypothesis, individual differences in the way people process information about the world can contribute to the creation of psychic beliefs, such as differences in memory accuracy (e.g., selectively remembering a fortune teller's correct predictions) or analytical thinking (e.g., relying on intuition rather than scrutinizing evidence). While this hypothesis is prevalent in the literature, few have attempted to empirically test it. Here, we provided the most comprehensive test of the cognitive differences hypothesis to date. In 3 studies, we used online screening to recruit groups of strong believers and strong skeptics, matched on key demographics (age, sex, and years of education). These groups were then tested in laboratory and online settings using multiple cognitive tasks and other measures. Our cognitive testing showed that there were no consistent group differences on tasks of episodic memory distortion, autobiographical memory distortion, or working memory capacity, but skeptics consistently outperformed believers on several tasks tapping analytical or logical thinking as well as vocabulary. These findings demonstrate cognitive similarities and differences between these groups and suggest that differences in analytical thinking and conceptual knowledge might contribute to the development of psychic beliefs. https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/02/16/why......-powers/ http://www.gallup.com/poll/16915/three-f......mal.aspx |
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magicowner Regular user Los Angeles 114 Posts |
Martin, I love you being here on the magic café!!! Thanks for sharing that research!
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Dreda Veteran user 320 Posts |
In France we have this : http://sites.unice.fr/site/broch/zetetique.html
And a social psychologist (Pascal Morchain) who works on this kind of subject : http://www.magie-ffap.com/revues/2016/61......-27.html I will summarize it later. Thanks for the links Mister Pulman. |
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Amirá Inner circle MentalismCenter.com 5131 Posts |
What if is the opposite? I don't mean about the belief in the psychic phenomena, rather the possibility of the unknown? One thing is too tend to logical thinking and other is to be completely closed to new possibilities.
Personally I believe in the human capacities and potential but I don't believe in everything blindly. I have seen "gifted people" that are terrible in doing readings for example. I think that someone that can look beyond the plausibility of our performance as a performance, surpase the tendency of problem solving eand feel the inspiration of such premise, as a matter of fact has more openness to experience. Not much about "education" but curiosity and imaginative potential. Best
Pablo
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I think intelligence isn't much of a measure of a belief in 'stuff'...just look at Tesla...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/03......773.html maybe its more about having a belief/non-belief? I would be an interesting study to measure those who have a religious belief and how they see a mentalism performance, vs someone who doesn't...could kick up some interesting results... EDIT - not very clear, I mean if you looked at the people who had a belief, then look at their jobs, education etc and then how they experienced a mentalism performance - put that up again someone who doesn't have a belief and look at their job etc etc
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
You may have a point Iain. I recently spent a lot of time in Louisiana, and not only were the people I met there generally much more religious than I had been used to (the amount of faith-based radio stations was disconcerting), but they were also far more willing to attribute anything I did to psychic powers than people in places like New York or London.
Maybe it's something in the water, or maybe it's something in the drive-thru Daiquiris!?! |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Yeah, and I think being conditioned to have faith in things, it means everything has to pass through that filter...same as someone who is especially into their sciences and critical thinking will tend to be more inquisitive and ask questions/google around for things they find interesting...(which some can take as them being a d**khead over, but its just that they've just seen something unique and thought-provoking, so they feel like digging for a bigger answer)...
drive-thru daiquiris sounds like it should also offer tattoos for haemophiliacs...
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Of course, it could also be argued that you are simply deferring the question, and one could ask if faith and education levels are linked?
Certainly the drive-thru Daiquiris (in a state where drink driving is prohibited) suggests the Louisiana law-makers aren't the sharpest tools in the box. |
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Robb Inner circle 1291 Posts |
I don't think faith and intelligence are at odds with one another. The intelligent person can also be a person of faith but in my experience it's a more mature sort of faith, neither "blind faith" nor a wall of skepticism that demands absolute proof before one can benefit from the psychological utility of certain beliefs.
For example, we all believe we have free will more or less, right? We can choose to live our lives the way we deem fit. We are held responsible for our choices because they are OUR choices and we could have presumably chosen to do other than what we did. Yet, free will is largely an illusion. We can realize that through scientific experimentation or simply rigorous introspection. Still, we must live AS IF free will is true, at least to some degree, or else we could fall into the trap of thinking we have ZERO responsibility for our choices or zero power to affect the way our lives unfold. It does little good to dwell too much on the illusionary aspects of free will. It's better to just have this "faith" that we are free and think and act as if it were absolutely true. The same can apply to other beliefs as well... A belief in "God" or cosmic justice, karma, etc. A belief that we're all "basically good". I have faith in that even though I don't have an overwhelming amount of evidence to go on. ;-) |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
How about this...
The fact that we can discuss the concept of free will, means that we do have free will...
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Lucien Astor Special user Sunken R'lyeh 661 Posts |
There is a difference between education and intelligence. I have met a lot of autodidacts, curious individuals, and intelligent people with little formal education. I have also met professional students and professors who seem to lack it. Wasn't Ben Carson a neurosurgeon?
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Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
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On Oct 25, 2016, IAIN wrote: Nope, cuz I knew you were going to post that |
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Robb Inner circle 1291 Posts |
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On Oct 25, 2016, IAIN wrote: That doesn't logically follow at all. A computer could conceivably be programmed to talk as if it had free will, but of course that would be impossible. There's nothing about conceptual processes that presupposes free will. |
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I have not read the literature or done any 'formal' effort of studying the idea, but I sincerely believe that education (as a blanket term) has no relation to the chances someone will be superstitious in any way.
The only time I have seen education have a significant impact on superstitious beliefs is when someone focuses on logic, and I suspect that is because it trains the mind to constantly question and analyze things.
Christopher
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
It depends if you educate people to be superstitious as well....
Regardless, Magical Thinking (psychological process) is in everyone.... different factors will increase or decrease this process // some of which are factors that can be influenced by intention
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Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
Aristotle said we are persuaded by three different aspects of our psyche (soul): mind, emotion, and will. We may think that facts and reason guide us primarily, but really the logical aspect is compromised or aided (depending on your mindset) by the heart (pathos) and trust in the character and credibility of the source (ethos).
When we believe a lie, more than facts and education are involved.
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
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On Oct 26, 2016, Alan Wheeler wrote: Interesting. Then again, Aristotle also believed eels spontaneously generated from mud, so he wasn't always on the money. |
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