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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
In bars/clubs it is so loud and I find people don't want to listen until they are kind of warmed up. The environment demands instant gratification.
It isn't that you can't be heard at all but I find stangers don't want to lean in until they think there will be some payoff. Like if I am speaking with a friend we can manage to hear each other fine because we lean in to hear/talk to one another but strangers are mostly not willing to do this right away. So I wondered what good tricks would be to do a couple of silent pieces where it can all be conveyed visibly. I am thinking quite a few things like color changes and the twisting aces/last card could work well here. Card manupulation could work but I have not been able to make any progress on that. I find it really hard and seems to require lots of dexterity. I also have really dry hands which havent been remedied by the glycerin rosewater thing. Ye it helps for 5 mins or so but then they are dry again. Though I have put some of it in a small hand sanitizer bottle which could be taken out with me. I think watching Teller would teach me quite a bit and general mime. I am thinking that the parts where you would explain what is going on in a given trick you would just point and gesture more emphatically. Once I have had a couple of hits with these then I would move into more standard patter type stuff once the group would have seen what I was about. It is possible to yell right away but I really don't like it and find it draining. You could tell me to practice elsewhere but I find bars/clubs the most reliable places to find large groups of people where it wouldnt be inappropriate to approach them. Besides I go to these places anyway so might as well be productive when there. |
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Hakaput New user 65 Posts |
I think an ambitious card routine would be good, especially if you choose techniques that show very clearly that the selected card is in the middle. Using such techniques would help people who were not initially paying attention follow the trick. But I suppose this would only be useful if you already have one person's attention. From your post it seems like you are trying to get peoples attention without needing to talk with anyone first.
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ZachDavenport Inner circle Last time I posted I had one less than 1196 Posts |
May or may not be your style, but have you ever done the card spew? Basically, you start coughing up cards. Look it up on youtube, it looks crazy.
Reality is a real killjoy.
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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
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On Oct 29, 2016, Hakaput wrote: Yes like you say I want just a couple where I wouldnt need any compliance from the spectators - or as little as to look my way for a few seconds till the first one hits. |
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JoeHohman Special user Erie 706 Posts |
Royal Monte.
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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
Is that the same as 3 card monte or different?
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Card tricks, in general, are less conducive to this situation than other types of magic. I'd strongly suggest looking at other branches of the magical tree to find things that will be more successful in this environment.
Examples would be: coin tricks like coins across, 3-fly, or even a simple copper/silver transpo. Rubber band magic like crazy man's handcuffs or ring through rubber band. Magic with finger rings, napkins, or anything else native to the environment. If you get their interest with one of these more visual things, then perhaps move onto some card material, but it would not be something I'd start with.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
B2B Magazine Test! Best impromptu progressive Ace Assembly ever! "If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause, and reflect." --Mark Twain |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
The Amazing Revelation Display- Lorayne
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts |
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On Oct 30, 2016, magicfish wrote: Yes! pehaps flourishes and manipulations instead of 'card tricks' to begin! Check out the above Harry Lorayne flourish as it's easier to do than it looks, and is a BIG display! (just hope the train isn't too bumpy of a ride!!!). Lynn |
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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
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On Oct 29, 2016, Steven Keyl wrote: I found the exact opposite to be true actually. I started with coins but moved to cards because noone would see what I was doing when I tried coin tricks. In a dark environment they are so small that they blend into the hand and can almost be invisible whereas cards are much more of a spectacle. The whole branch of cardistry lends itself to no speaking so I think that was a rather rash judgement to say they are unsuited. That was another big reason I moved to cards since there are only like one or two petty little flourishes in coin magic which are hardly flourishes at all whereas there is new tech created all the time for cards on that front. Yes flourishes are my thinking too. Been practicing them a lot though I am unsure how to 'open' with them. I don't see how you can go up and say 'look at this flourish' whereas you can say 'would you like to see a magic trick'. I think perhaps flourishing if good enough makes people look without you asking for their attention so it would be indirectly drawing them in. I would love to be able for it to be like that but I am not so adept yet . I think it is faesible though since you often find this with street performers of all kinds you find people just start perking up and paying attention and a crowd gathers of its own accord. |
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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
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On Oct 30, 2016, lynnef wrote: I can't see any examples of it online. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Oct 30, 2016, magicstudent8416 wrote: You only do magic that's online? |
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danaruns Special user The City of Angels 808 Posts |
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You only do magic that's online? Al the helpful posts you could have made, and that's the gem that made it up through all your filters and you just felt you had to post? SMH. Well, I guess that's what makes this the Café.
"Dana Douglas is the greatest magician alive. Plus, I'm drunk." -- Foster Brooks
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davegrip New user Southern California 3 Posts |
Some choices that immediately come to mind would be:
6 card repeat. Helicopter Card. One of the visual, piece-by-piece Torn and Restored cars methods out there these days. Card to: ceiling...to impossible place (via a force)...to spectator's back.
Dave Gripenwaldt
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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
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On Oct 30, 2016, davegrip wrote: Ah great suggestions thanks! I had seen Slydini's helicopter card before but in my searching it led me to the levitating spinnning card which I think would be really powerful as an opener and requires no explanation etc. So I think it would be ideal to start out and would surely be hard hitting. 6 card repeat I also like alot. Oh ye and I saw david stone do the card to ceiling a few months ago. Great effect. Been some great suggestions and inspiration in this thread so far ! Any other similar immediate gimmicky ones like the levitating card? I certainly don't want to base the whole set on gimmicks but I think ones like the levitation are great to open up then get into more substantial stuff. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Oct 30, 2016, danaruns wrote: WHAAAAAT?! wow. I helped by offering a routine. What did you do?! What a joke. I shouldn't have bothered. Keep "helping" others. Good luck. To the OP, remember, probably 7% of magic is online so I sincerely hope you will look elsewhere. Good luck with your silent routine my friend. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Magicstudent, ignore danaruns trolling.
I think Im going to take a brake from this place for awhile. Simply unbelievable. |
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Magiguy Inner circle Seattle, WA 5467 Posts |
The Harry Lorayne routine is well worth your attention (as is all of his work).
Also... Have you seen Jon Allen's "Silent Treatment?" |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
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On Oct 30, 2016, magicstudent8416 wrote: I never said they were unsuited, nor is my opinion a rash judgment. Please re-read my post without projecting your own biases onto it. Also allow yourself to consider the possibility that my advice was borne out of actually facing similar situations. Cardistry may be suitable in this environment but you said in your original post that... actually let me quote you... Quote:
Card manupulation could work but I have not been able to make any progress on that. So why would anyone suggest something to which you've already admitted is not yet at performance level? Very few card tricks are enhanced by cutting out all speaking. Let's look at the idea of a 6-card repeat without any speaking. You walk up to a group, count six cards from one hand to the other, throw one away, count them again. Rinse, repeat. In a loud venue, I would imagine it would take at least 2 or 3 times through before people were clued into the fact that you're counting the same number of cards after throwing some away. Card tricks require some level of focus and concentration on part of the spectator. Without a compelling presentation (such as Bill Abbott's 5-card repeat routine) even if they could follow it perfectly, the impact is quite diluted. But you seem to have up your mind to construct a speechless card set, so I hope you find something that works and best of luck to you.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
B2B Magazine Test! Best impromptu progressive Ace Assembly ever! "If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause, and reflect." --Mark Twain |
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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
I was not counting cardistry among card manipulation. I am doing great in cardistry. By card manipulation I meant jeff McBride's backpalming and productions and the like which is what I had difficulty with. I also think it would be too angle prone. Of course you can make anything work with enough practice but I prefer to concentrate on other aspects which I think would be more suitable.
I know every kind of handling of cards could be called manipulation of some sort but the modern cardists get their feathers ruffled if you call them anything but cardists since they seem to want to distance themselves from the magic field. I accidentally put 'trick' in a cardist thread I made the other day and was immediately chided that they do not use that term around those parts due to its connotations to magic . |
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