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Ypnoze Veteran user 394 Posts |
Thank you Mark, this look really great, it's one card per pack right? Will it be possible to have a blank paper version? For mentalists?
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Is there a way to make the numbers and letters more "fuzzy" as I think it might add to the effect as it looks too clear eg like an e display... don't get me wrong I love the look of this but my own style needs a bit of non perfect look if that makes sense - but maybe I'm over worrying for nothing 😱
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2016, robd wrote: Wrong, I would provide the dove which was my point. In your example I would have to assume that audience would have a dove, and most likely he would not which was my point. I did not criticize the trick I simply said one should be prepared and not expect everyone to have a flashlight of some kind. I also said it "looked great".
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2016, Slackerking wrote: Well that is my opinion and it is a valid one, and based on my 36 years in the art and real-world experience. No, not everyone has a cellphone nor a smartphone based on my experience in my area. Also I see above I never said I did not like the trick, I even said that it "looked great" but not to expect everyone to have a flashlight. Maybe you don't perform in the real world though. I bring up valid points and issues based on my experience being a professional in the real world, not as a hobbyist who buys every trick that fools him. That is what this forum is for opinions, and many times opposing ones and to discuss possible issues with effects. If you can't handle it then maybe you should "move on" and stop expecting just praise for everything put out.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Ypnoze Veteran user 394 Posts |
Are we seriously having that much posts about people having or not smartphones with flashlights, please let's move on, if you believe people won't necessarily have a light, buy a one dollar flashlight as suggested and have it in your keychain and do the necessary preparation just like you would do for any other trick, if you think it's a lot to handle, you can pass on this trick, but please stop trolling and let us have a nice discussion about this effect that really look great
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
I brought up the valid issue myself of needing a flashlight just in case, but someone else made the assumption that "everyone" has smartphones and phones with lights. But based on my experience no they don't. I guess this forum is now full of noobs again who have no clue, and think that every effect released is flawless because they don't actually perform in the real world they just watch edited demos thinking that is how it all goes. I also said it "looked great" so yeah learn to read. I just brought up the phone/flashlight issue because it can and will happen and one needs to be prepared.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2016, Ypnoze wrote: So bringing up valid issues and discussing them is trolling? Ok...if anything you are the troll for making such a stupid statement which is pretty ironic. My comment was based on a legitimate issue that could come up so take off your rose colored blinders and see reality. I never said the trick was bad and to assume that everyone will have a flashlight would be stupid. I said it would be good to have your own flashlight just in case. That is how real-world pro's think we call that "preparation", so I don't know what you are talking about. But yes go back to discussing how "great" this trick is.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Ypnoze Veteran user 394 Posts |
Ok you are right, my apologies and thank you for bringing valid points and remind us to be prepared in case people won't have flashlights
Point closed, can we move to the other remarks and questions? |
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Gregor Mann New user 68 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2016, sirbrad wrote: Maybe you are too long in the art! In your first 15 years mobile phones did not exist at all! (I believe your experiences that at this time not everyone had a phone!) Maybe the opinion of someone who lived and worked the past 5 years is more valid. Let me tell you, It is harder to find a spectator with a ring or coin or bill or watch on them than it is to find a spectator with a phone. Only things you will find more often on a spectator are socks and shoes. You can in fact perform this trick on a beach and you will have no problem to find a phone with flashlight.
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Well as I said in my area not everyone has phones, or smartphones mostly the younger crowd. I don't do phone magic though. I am also a purist at heart and do a lot of stage and parlor magic, but also close-up as well with tried and true classics and my own material. I also do not do a lot of tricks that require me to borrow anything, and if I do I have back ups of my own which is just as good because the audience knows I asked and could have used theirs if they had it. I don't believe it is necessary though most of the time and is often overdone, same as signing a card is overdone when in reality only the magician is more impressed in the end.
It is true cellphones did not exist when I started for a long time, but even today I do not need to do cellphone magic nor do I have any intention to. If I did this it would be with my own mini flashlight as I said. My "experience" would allow me to find a way to do it that made sense and was 100% reliable and ready for any potential issues, and not to be dependent on a spectator having an item. Because my experience has taught me that they don't always have them. The only things I borrow are coins, bills, and rings mostly but I have back ups just in case. As common as these things are still not everyone has them or exactly what I need so I need to be prepared just in case.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Ypnoze Veteran user 394 Posts |
Those are wise words, thanks for sharing your experience
In this case it's not really phone magic, it uses a flashlight that happen to be in every smartphone, good thing a lot of people have those today, if they don't (which is rare), I have mine and will use its light, so I'm fully prepared You need to explore other areas of magic and adapt yourself to new things, spectators like to see things with objects they use everyday, and you can believe me when I say that, besides apparently where you live, nowadays, everybody has a smartphone |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
I don't think spectators "want to see magic with everyday objects" any more than magical looking objects. That is a magician's perception usually that of a beginner or one who likes to "over-prove" that he is using "natural every day objects". However this is not necessary and not something spectators actually think about based on my experience. Classic magic is classic for a reason, and it stood the test of time for a reason; it is great magic. So really no adaption or new stuff is necessary because the reality is that most people have not seen the old stuff. It is all "new" to them.
Even if you do classic effects like some kids show effects that some have seen they still do not remember really what happens, and even if they did it would not matter as it is still entertaining. What kind of magic one does is all personal preference. As a kid what attracted me to magic was the magical, mystical, glitzy, shiny, mysterious, looking props. They intrigued me the most and are what sparked my interest in magic. Not a pencil or some coins. Maybe it was because I was destined to be a magician I don't know. But it seems that most others are also attracted to those types of props as well, especially kids. A lot of beginners like to run without being chased, want to borrow everything, spend a lot of time handing stuff for examination which is also overdone and not necessary—and reduces what is supposed to be magic to challenging the audience to figure out "puzzles" as opposed to enjoying the magic. So really it is not necessary at all to adapt and do magic with modern items, that is a personal preference not a necessity and really the audience could care less. They just want to be amazed and entertained. Most old magic is new magic, kinda like Jeff McBride said "If you want new magic read old books, and if you want old magic read new books." I am not saying this trick is cellphone magic but it uses one, and cellphones need batteries so they need to be working correctly as well. Just isn't my thing, and some are very private with their phones and do not like other people handling them or are afraid they might drop them etc, which could happen and make you liable. So yeah I tend to think everything out very thoroughly before I add something to my act. You can do magic with modern items if you want to, even I use some modern stuff just not cellphones. But in no way is it necessary nor even expected by laymen. They do not overthink stuff like magician do. Your job is to entertain them, period. How you do that or what items you use is up to you. I use what works, and what has worked for 36 years. I add new stuff all the time. But cellphones simply don't interest me. I prefer classic magic that actually looks magical. I do a lot of magic with every day items also, but it is not all that I do. Magic props draw attention and interest and both have their pros and cons but I use them all. If you are a great entertainer though in the end the prop is irrelevant anyway, and if you are not so good then the prop may come into question. But I use what works for me and my venue and the longer you have done something the better you become at it. I have magic friends that have done the same act of 7-10 tricks for 50 years and very old classics and never any issues or questioning from the audience, or asking them why they are not using modern objects or everyday items. If they did they are not performing well enough. It is more about the magician and what all he can do, and there are no rules about which types of items he has to use. Audiences just expect to see "magic" and that is all, and expect "magical looking props". But I throw in tricks with everyday items also to keep it balanced. I think the most powerful magic is gaffs/gimmicks combined with sleights, and I will go through a lot of painstaking, elaborate setups that most will not do for maximum effect. Many take the lazy way out, they want natural looking items, no sleight of hand, self-working, and for it to be fully examinable. Well there is no such thing, and that is not a magician, a REAL magician has to work hard and likes to work on hard stuff and perfect his art, not be some trickster who presents "self-working puzzles" challenging his spectator with zero presentation and bores his audience to sleep. This what many beginners look for as they don't want to do the work like us old-school guys did back in the day, and had to earn our way reading huge tomes and practicing all day and night to get a move down. Today all of the information is widely available on the internet and exposed for free, making people even more lazy and self-entitled. But in the end they are only hurting themselves. At least I know most of the great stuff is still hidden in books that most are too lazy to read, so that is good. But as I said what you use is a matter of preference and style and modern items are not a necessity by any means. In some cases they may be more convenient. I would not add something just because it is modern and everyone has it, especially if it did not appeal to me or make sense to do so. Everything I add has to pass my vigorous tests and I don't add something just because it is modern and everyone has one. Everyone has cards, coins, rings, rope, and keys too but not necessarily with them. So I have all of those items so they don't have to. I do have new effects also but my favorites are still the old classics. But I go by the effect itself and all the work and prep involved, before I make a decision regardless of what items it uses. It has to fit my style and be well worth it overall for me to add it. I try to keep electronics out though so there is no worries of failure with parts or batteries etc. Just one less worry for me personally. I worry enough whether my PA system is going work properly and not go dead during my stage shows. For someone who is into phones and uses them all of the time it would make more sense for them to use them if they wanted to. Again it comes down to preference, style, convenience, and venue. I am not against modern items if they fit my criteria and style.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Al Straker Grammar Host Australia 1129 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2016, sirbrad wrote: TO PHONE OR NOT TO PHONE...... that is the question.... Did that $1 flashlight suggestion register at all?? I guess you could always purchase a battery operated desk lamp and tie it around your neck for this effect.....if that kind of thing fits your style. Or perhaps a small motorbike with a decent headlight would be better? Instead of walk around magic you could start a brand new thing - ride around magic!! To close the act maybe cover it with a handkerchief and make it disappear. On a more serious note I have a feeling playing with this and a D'lite/Prisma could produce D'lite full results! Another idea - add Fism Flash also as the light disappears from the card you could make up all sorts of interesting stories about the 'healing light' jumping off the card and infusing in to the body of the person whose initials it spelled, with the right application they will actually feel this physically.
Al Straker
Resident Mystery Entertainer at Multiple Venues Music & Mentalism Specialty Act 'Completely Mental' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyGhApqnG7I (Old clip, show has changed quite a bit since then!) Jazz & Contemporary Musician/Composer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnN3JNmeKns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_zfOvpneA |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Sirbrad, please start a new thread in a different forum, or search for an existing one which is relevant to the point you are making and add to it.
You have gone way off topic. A cell phone is inconsequential to this effect. |
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Kay99 New user 59 Posts |
How durable is the gimmick??
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DrIlluminatus New user 76 Posts |
And this is why I hate the Café sometimes........ Hype ...............Speculation............
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
Speaking of ppl not having the latest technology.....
I still haven't been able to watch the trailer My home wifi isn't that slow But it doesn't seem to be enough, the trailer hangs, stops, starts and stutters then repeats until I get annoyed and close it Tried it from various shops, same Anyone else not been able to watch the trailer Is it up anywhere that it can be viewed from Is it my bandwidth Is it a server issue that too many ppl want to view it Or each time have I been unlucky and had Internet loss at the same time I've tried to view the trailer??? |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
By various shops I mean MoM, Saturn, etc
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
[quote]On Dec 8, 2016, videoman wrote:
Sirbrad, please start a new thread in a different forum, or search for an existing one which is relevant to the point you are making and add to it. You have gone way off topic. A cell phone is inconsequential to this effect. [/quote It is not off-topic, I brought up a valid issue that could happen and it was someone else who changed the course of the topic by claiming that everyone absolutely has a cellphone with a light and did so in a condescending manner. Sorry I am not a puppet who just agrees with everyone else, and that I am able to actually think about pros and cons of effects before I buy them. I know many here just like to instantly order everything and then have regrets later on about their overflowing junk drawer. That is what this forum is for as I said, discussion and opposing opinions. All is relevant to the trick and magic in general. My response was initially short and relevant to the trick until someone jumped in looking to start a debate which is something I am no stranger to. In your case though I guess you consider anything "off-topic" that is not phishing for methods? And again I said in the first post that I would use a small flashlight instead because I know not everyone will always have a phone with a light, so I would want to be prepared just in case. I thought that was common sense but in here apparently it is not for most. I am not saying it is bad trick and I most likely will get it, I just said the flashlight phone could be an issue.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Ypnoze Veteran user 394 Posts |
Is this already available somewhere or just for pre-orders?
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