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Maddy, didn't know you had a channel. Great Job as usual and don't get married. The wife test is much harder than the girlfriend test
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Maddy, didn't know you had a channel. Great Job as usual and don't get married. The wife test is much harder than the girlfriend test


It's brand new! Just started it yesterday Smile

And good advice! Although, I think if I tell that to my girlfriend I will no longer be able to do the girlfriend test Smile

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Thanks a lot for that, Madison!

Really appreciate it, and am so glad that you enjoyed the material so much! We're really proud of it, and absolutely agree that the breakthroughs made in the name guess are our best solutions so far.

On a more general note, loving the dorm room reviews!

Best wishes buddy,

Ross.
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I seen Fraser, doing a lot of this material at Blackpool! It was slaying people! I purchased it when I got home this book is pure gold!! I think it's definitely going to propel mentalism forward for years to come.

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I saw this on eBay for £35 so thought I'd take the plunge. Have bought it and I'll share my thoughts when j receive it.

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I saw this on eBay for £35 so thought I'd take the plunge. Have bought it and I'll share my thoughts when j receive it.

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The name guess in it is phenomenal. The card force is also very very very very good and incredibly useful.
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I saw this on eBay for £35 so thought I'd take the plunge. Have bought it and I'll share my thoughts when j receive it.

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The name guess in it is phenomenal. The card force is also very very very very good and incredibly useful.


How's the reverse name guess?

Sleepy
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I saw this on eBay for £35 so thought I'd take the plunge. Have bought it and I'll share my thoughts when j receive it.

Sleepy


The name guess in it is phenomenal. The card force is also very very very very good and incredibly useful.


How's the reverse name guess?

Sleepy


IMHO, the reverse name guess is always better than the performer guessing the name. Reason being the process (there is a process involved but Second Coming is the most streamlined thus far from Fraser and Ross) IMO is better justified due to the framing of it being the spectator doing the thought reading/sensing. It's essentially the same method with a different framing in the presentation. The process is also built into the script so to the audience it comes off as theatrics rather than mental gymnastics.
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I saw this on eBay for £35 so thought I'd take the plunge. Have bought it and I'll share my thoughts when j receive it.

Sleepy


The name guess in it is phenomenal. The card force is also very very very very good and incredibly useful.


How's the reverse name guess?

Sleepy


IMHO, the reverse name guess is always better than the performer guessing the name. Reason being the process (there is a process involved but Second Coming is the most streamlined thus far from Fraser and Ross) IMO is better justified due to the framing of it being the spectator doing the thought reading/sensing. It's essentially the same method with a different framing in the presentation. The process is also built into the script so to the audience it comes off as theatrics rather than mental gymnastics.


Agreed...Peter Turner's version of reverse name guess on DID2 is amazing! I've used it so much and it's so clean...but I'd love to know more methods for reverse name guess so I can pull different ones out in different situations.

The main reasons I bought this book was because 1) it was going for only £35 and 2) for the card force and the reverse name guess.

Even if I like one of those routines then this purchase will be definitely worth it!

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I saw this on eBay for £35 so thought I'd take the plunge. Have bought it and I'll share my thoughts when j receive it.

Sleepy


The name guess in it is phenomenal. The card force is also very very very very good and incredibly useful.


How's the reverse name guess?

Sleepy


IMHO, the reverse name guess is always better than the performer guessing the name. Reason being the process (there is a process involved but Second Coming is the most streamlined thus far from Fraser and Ross) IMO is better justified due to the framing of it being the spectator doing the thought reading/sensing. It's essentially the same method with a different framing in the presentation. The process is also built into the script so to the audience it comes off as theatrics rather than mental gymnastics.


Agreed...Peter Turner's version of reverse name guess on DID2 is amazing! I've used it so much and it's so clean...but I'd love to know more methods for reverse name guess so I can pull different ones out in different situations.

The main reasons I bought this book was because 1) it was going for only £35 and 2) for the card force and the reverse name guess.

Even if I like one of those routines then this purchase will be definitely worth it!

Sleepy


What a steal for the book! That force is gold. Once you read that section and learned it, there's so much you can do with it. Peter Turner has a ACAAN in his Numbers PDF from his PDF series. It's also on his last Penguin lecture. I've never liked the method for getting the card so I've started trying to think of how to use the force from Second Coming to get the card and then use Peter's method for the number from his Numbers PDF. You can also use the force for card in impossible location, etc. Super fair, very quick, the method provides the presentation and vice versa.
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Yes I was gonna use the force for card to impossible location! Can't wait for the book to arrive. Loved ECROF by Ross Tayler and I use in of the routines provided in their a lot!

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Just arrived yesterday and have read the cards part only but can definitely say that the king's force is definitely worth the price I paid for this book!

That alone is amazing.

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Just arrived yesterday and have read the cards part only but can definitely say that the king's force is definitely worth the price I paid for this book!

That alone is amazing.

Sleepy


Right?!? Shhhhhhhhhhhh. Let’s just keep it a secret.
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I've read the whole book now and I'll be honest, the majority of ideas are not for me because they rely a bit too much on the re**ame than I want them too.

However, I am happy I got this just for the king's force! I've made up a version of 52-1 deck with a normal deck and just one gimmicked card!

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This is one book I keep returning to. I still believe this is Fraser and Ross’s best work to date. Every time I read it, I’m inspired by it. I think these are all the most workable ideas out of all their work. Yes, many rely on a re-fra... BUT I think it is this book contains the best uses of that principle.

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Hi Madison - does this mean you prefer it over The Book of Angels (TBOA)? I ask because I have TBOA and really like that - not only for the effects within but also for the tools it provides for you to create your own material.

I missed out on the limited 'Second Coming' unfortunately, but I was able to learn some of the material via 'Rapture'. And they do work great! Smile

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Hi Madison - does this mean you prefer it over The Book of Angels (TBOA)? I ask because I have TBOA and really like that - not only for the effects within but also for the tools it provides for you to create your own material.

I missed out on the limited 'Second Coming' unfortunately, but I was able to learn some of the material via 'Rapture'. And they do work great! Smile

- Ross



I do not own book of angels so I can’t say! Fair point Smile

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I've read the whole book now and I'll be honest, the majority of ideas are not for me because they rely a bit too much on the re**ame than I want them too.

However, I am happy I got this just for the king's force! I've made up a version of 52-1 deck with a normal deck and just one gimmicked card!

Sleepy


I don't even consider the re**ame something that is being relied on anymore tbh. It's more of something that you would have built into your script in order to tie up loose ends anyway but they did the work of writing the script for you already. I personally don't feel turned off by it because in all honesty, I think of it less as some sort of technique being overtly relied on and more as just good script construction. If you analyze your scripts from any branch of magic and mentalism, you're inherently doing this very thing constantly in your scripting and choreography. Sometimes it's meant as misdirection, other times it's to elicit a stronger reaction, and other times it's to create a new perception (which in all honesty, isn't that the purpose of you performing for your audience? to suspend their disbelief?).
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After reading these comments...I decided to perform one of the effects that seemed a bit "meh" to me...this was one of the card prediction effects.

I didn't expect the reaction that I got! Everyone was stunned! I was so surprised that this went over this well!

And kissdadookie I agree with the points you've made!

Sleepy
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