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On The Offbeat Loyal user 287 Posts |
Although I believe that striving for perfection is certainly a worthwhile pursuit, I also think this idea that certain acts are not done in a natural way can sometimes be taken too far.
The manner of dumping the object out of the jar is plausible and well within the realm of acceptability in this case IMO. It's not so unusual as to arouse suspicion. I believe some folks are overthinking it. There isn't a hard and fast rule of how to remove something from a small jar. Spectators shouldn't remember (or care) exactly what you did anyway. |
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Max Hazy Special user 543 Posts |
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On Dec 26, 2016, On The Offbeat wrote: I totally agree with you and I'll include myself in the list of guys overthinking it. And I know you didn't say that just to "point fingers" as I share the same opinion and see what you mean. But I think it's worth mention that, in my case, I'm not overthinking it to strive perfection. It's just that the naturalness for the context I plan if I buy it is absolutely necessary for me to feel good about it. If I'm not comfortable with the method, I believe it will affect my confidence in performance. Plus I don't do things just for the sake of the method. In any case, I think it's too soon to be sure if this isn't for me, so I'll keep an eye on it. Cheers! Max Hazy
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
'The Jar' is a nice idea for a Switchbox. However IMHO it would have been much better if a plastic lid with a slightly more depth (say 1.5 to 2 cm deep lid) was used. This would have made the Jar look much more innocent and deceptive than it is now.
Just my thoughts.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
You could make this into a fun mini side-show kinda thing...
have some sugar inside the jar, and piece of paper...even on the lid you could have a small sticker on it (dry wipe) saying "guess the grains!"... so instead of guess yer weight, guess the grains of sugar... someone names a number, you jokingly pour out the sugar into their hands and say "get counting!" and then the paper is handed out to someone, and it says "KATE IS RIGHT - 23,542!" you can make the diry work easier in many ways obviously, you could even say "guess to the nearest hundred" and so on...
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
. . . of course when using a plastic lid, the lid will need some work, but it would be worth the efforts.
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
The jar looks like a pimento jar which really looks organic.
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On Dec 20, 2016, weeky91 wrote: No problem in case the spectator wants to inspect the jar after the effect is done. After the effect is over don't screw the lid back on the jar but simply leave the innocent lid on the table more towards you (the performer) while simultaneously pushing the jar towards the spectators side. Now if the spectator so wishes, he will pick up the larger object (the jar) that's closer to him and in which he had earlier seen the content (card/coin/bill/billet etc.) inside. He wont bother much about the smaller object i.e. the lid. It's basic human psychology.
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
I have never had a spectator want to look at the lid at the end of the effect in the 1000's of times I've done this...its not going to happen. Just screw the lid back on and its done....
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CraigB New user 33 Posts |
I really like this prop. Will definitely put this on my list.
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Alex R. Weinberg Veteran user 353 Posts |
This is on my to get list as well very organic. I look forward to some reviews!
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Mine arrived today...had a quick play...
the jar itself is very well made, the *work* is invisible...and for anyone with a decent level of knowledge in magic will be more than fine with the handlings taught... two minor downsides, one - the uk 10p provided is the old 10p which is appearing less and less in circulation...AND that our regular new 10p coins work very well with The Jar, and possibly a bit too well for its own good after a quick test... secondly - for those who don't have any experience with making up what is necessary (as in, your card, billet, note or whatever), then that's not covered...thankfully, its common sense really - but, if you were expecting a quick teach-in on that part, there isn't one... it would have been nice to have had the option to buy The Jar as a stand alone, without the coin, but I guess that can't be helped... it certainly works as advertised, the handlings are all clear and logical...8/10
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colin underwood New user 43 Posts |
I perform in the walkways of casinos in South Africa. In fact I performed it tonight and killed .I use it for a coins routine and a display as well as card to impossible location. It's visual and organic. If you find it too costly you obviously not doing enough gigs of this type. The visual and practical aspects make this simple prop very viable for my type shows where I'm playing to a big circle. I highly recommend it! I havnt used it in close up context but like Jon Allen's Destination boss you can carry this to the table openly. Nothing to hide or see. It's exactly what it is. A jar with folded card in it. After switch there's nothing to see either. One has to be careful with audience management because it's glass n can break if dropped.Brilliant!(In reply to bloke who says too costly for what it is, you paying for the experience that comes with it. The fact it is natural n not gimmick looking should be be the perceived value. The routines are the other value. Otherwise go buy some gaudy looking box like 98, feeling happy you are ripped off with less than adequate box which cost arm n leg.
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On Dec 31, 2016, IAIN wrote: Good idea/thinking. With that the utility of the Jar increases many folds - i.e. one can now use both items (like the, provided old UK 10p as well as new 10p coin). For this one can have two lids for the same Jar and use the one as need be. Or, keep two identical jars with appropriate lids. In this case if one Jar breaks accidentally, still the prop is fully functional. Just thoughts . . .
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
I am slapping myself on the head after seeing this. I played with coins and jars decades ago, I used the little mustard jars you get with the sausage and cheese Christmas packs from Hickory Farms and Swiss Colony as well as baby food jars. Had a wonderful 3 coins in a jar routine, and I'm not sure why I stopped doing it...
The ideas presented here never occurred to me, kudos for Koz. It was an instant purchase on my part. First purchase of the new year. Tony |
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Dannicus Special user San Diego Ca. 618 Posts |
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On Dec 31, 2016, colin underwood wrote: Personally I really like the look of this and I think Kosmos products are great. I have this on my purchase list. I think the comparison to our new release Box 98 is a bit apples to oranges as they are not the same effect and I personally think there is plenty of room for both depending on performer preference and circumstance but some people just have to be rude I guess. Congrats Kosmo on a great release. I will certainly be picking this up and I have just the routine in mind for it.
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MagiKen New user 27 Posts |
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On Dec 28, 2016, Ustaad wrote: I do not have this (yet) so I do not know whether the lid would or would not be examinable at this point. However, I can see Ustaad's point about the psychology of the jar being examined first. I can also see jerks suspicious of this wanting to see the lid all the more because the jar, however subtly, may seem to have been forced on them. Too bad (but good for us), such a reaction takes a beat or two. With attention all focused on the jar in the forefront, even for just a second or two, there is plenty of offbeat time to switch out the lid for an ungimmicked duplicate if that is even necessary. Scoop it off the table onto a servante or lap it as you bring up the other hand holding the duplicate to also hand out to them; if this is even required.
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MagiKen New user 27 Posts |
Hey, since all of the work does appear to be done by the lid, and since the question of the breakable nature of glass has been called into question, I have a question for those in the know. Is the size and threading on the gimmicked lid rather standard? I have for some years now collected all sorts of jar lids and bottle caps for use in magic and for replacing and repairing things in general. One might be astonished how handy spare lids and bottle caps can become. Anyway, my point is, unless this is some odd non-standard type of lid, even should the "The Jar" jar break, wouldn't it be easy to replace with a similar or even slightly different jar to good effect?
There may be a second big PLUS here too. One of the issues with non-magician folks who love magic and go to see it often is that they might see a variety of magicians using the stranger (than "The Jar") looking boxes multiple times, maybe even on television. (Think Masuda's WOW gimmick and even D'lite.) This is one important reason why an organic jar is better. However, if we all use the identical jar, could this factor not become, for a few aficionados the peculiar tell we are attempting to avoid? Is it possible that each of us (or at least many of us wishing to be more unique) could not provide our own small jar (keeping the supplied one as the emergency backup incase our jar of choice happens to get smashed)? Does anyone --- Especially Kozmo --- know how common the lid size and thread might be?
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Got mine in the mail today. Love it Koz! This is gonna be a lot of fun.
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On Jan 3, 2017, MagiKen wrote: 1. The lid cannot be examined at this pint as the ghost is hiding inside the lid. Hence your point #2 is a good option to switch the lid or alternately while picking up the lid and just before handing out to the spectator get rid of the ghost (if that's possible - as this will depend on the type of ghost trapped). However we might be trying to be over cautious about the whole affair of post performance examination by the spectator. I feel we should adhere to the advice of the creator (as he knows best) and may I please Quote:- Quote:
On Dec 28, 2016, Kozmo wrote: And Quote:
On Jan 3, 2017, MagiKen wrote: If one understands the working of 'The Jar', it would be easy to replace the jar with any suitable jar with an appropriate lid (if one want's the effect to work as designed by the creator Kozmo). You might like to read my other thoughts/ideas (though a bit cryptic) on this page regarding other options and alternatives for this effect.
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Grasshop34 Veteran user Cincinnati, OH 308 Posts |
I think this looks great! I'm concerned with the possibility of the jar being dropped and broken. It could happen. It's the only thing holding me back right now from buying it. I wish it was a acrylic jar to look like glass.
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