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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts 
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All of them are related to a business expansion program ... But why the bring in the ugly stuff from last century?
Forward, please.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Feb 14, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Presumably because it's still around, lurking. Forward?? How, when we keep making the same mistake(s)?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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It's all from the top. They are not mistakes it is all going according to plan. Go back to sleep America.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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I apologize I haven't had time to participate in this thread. We've had oral exams all week. Next week I'm taking a trip to the States to see my ill father. After that we visit my sister-in-law in England for ten days. I'll basically be away for the next month. But I'm not ignoring y'all--you know how much I love you. It's just that I only have time to lurk these days.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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Sorry to hear about your dad Stone.
I hope everything works out.
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts
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On Jan 3, 2017, LobowolfXXX wrote: You are correct Lobowolf. This is the fundamental contradiction of capitalism, but not it's definition. The definition which involves the full development of commodity production requires volumes (Marx alone wrote 3 volumes). The Webster definition from 1913 is woefully inadequate and doesn't even mention "class". "Socialized production" does not mean "socialism", by the way. It's merely saying that most of our consumer items/commodities have been produced in a social (and increasingly globalized) manner. I don't believe that capitalism is the "unknown ideal" like the title of one of Ayn Rand's books. Nor do I believe in the divine right of kings. I don't believe that communism is an "ideal" either; although I do like the principle of 'from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'. Lynn |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Paper money is a con game and so the whole game is bent.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Feb 22, 2017, lynnef wrote: True capitalism is unknown since it has never been practiced. With it there would be a true equalization of opportunity, which is what's necessary. And, please, tell me how you will fairly take from the able - and by what right? While you're at it please tell me who will determine what constitutes need, if all are automatically equal by virtue of the fact that they happened to have been born? How about we just accept the fact that some are simply more capable, more productive, and deserve to be fairly compensated. Also some are simply less capable, and productive, and do not deserve what they cannot earn. Even social programs as exist now don't produce the results they promised. They just produce more needy. Worse they destroy the self esteem of those they seek to help, making them incapable of experiencing; or even knowing what pride is.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Some people deserve charity.
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lynnef Inner circle 1407 Posts
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Many needs are objective and independent of whoever determines them. eg some people need certain medicines for their entire life, while others don't. We are not born "equal" just be being born. Sorry. Some are born into extreme wealth, while others are born starving from birth in South Sudan. I definitely believe in "fair compensation"; but this begs the question of what is fair. eg if you corner the market in gold, I would say this is not fair! If one earns more wealth than they could possibly spend in their lifetime, is this fair? So then we could ask, is fairness objectively or subjectively determined? Lynn
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts
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Who said life was fair?
We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness...
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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On Feb 23, 2017, lynnef wrote: It should be objectively determined. The person born into wealth should not be penalized for something they had no control over, nor should someone both into poverty expect anything from those who weren't. If they have a grievance they should take it up with the parents who brought them into the world knowing they would suffer. In a truly capitalistic society the person cornering the market on gold would find the rest of the world finding other things to us in it's place. If you feel badly for those whose circumstances are unfortunate you are free to give whatever you have in order to equalize your situations. Lmk how that works out for you, and what you accomplish besides creating more people who have less.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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How do you look at yourself objectively?
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Salguod Nairb Room 101 0 Posts
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On Feb 23, 2017, tommy wrote: While squatting over a mirror naked??
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On Feb 23, 2017, NYCTwister wrote: It can be evaluated objectively according to any number of criteria. Which criteria to use, however, is a purely subjective decision.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Feb 22, 2017, tommy wrote: Promises, promises / freedom of the press. touch choice(s)
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Whoops - should be "tough choices"
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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The Midas touch
According to Aristotle, Midas died of starvation.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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On Jan 3, 2017, stoneunhinged wrote: The excitement of chess entering our forum brought me back to the above quoted thought. Philosophy is really no different than chess: while millions of variations are possible, hundreds of millions of variations have been thought through. Sicilian Defense? Cartesian Skepticism? Queens Gambit? Epistemological Determinism? And so on and so on. Re-reading this thread, I realized that Lobo had it right: Twister was just using the word "philosophy" as something like, "the way I choose to think about how to live", and I, like a philosopher/chess player, jumped all over him for using the wrong opening because he didn't define his terms. I apologize. Still, I find the analogy enticing. Those of us who have spent decades studying philosophy (which I called a "philosophic education", without meaning to insult Twister) have already worked through and studied the openings and mid-games and end-games of specific questions and know that some things just won't work. They need to be defined or redefined or proven or thought through once again. Philosophy is much less about knowing Truth than it is knowing Untruth. My ignorance of chess is remarkable. I just don't see what others see, and it embarrasses me. And I'm not a particularly good poker player, either. But I kinda sorta know this stuff called "philosophy", and I (wrongly) got my ego inflated and wanted to tell Twister why Ayn Rand wasn't a philosopher, and that was wrong of me. This thread has been fun to re-read. |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts
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Sure, distract me now.
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