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I am not for it but they say it's coming back into fashion.
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I'm against it .... It's why they are the bad guys and we are the good guys.
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Come on the good guys!
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On Jan 25, 2017, tommy wrote:
I am not for it but they say it's coming back into fashion.


As long as it's not "them" doing it to "us"... or just a excuse for the sick and cruel to act with social sanction.

And how would you feel it your family member were picked up and interrogated (enhanced) during an intelligence gathering operation at the local supermarket?
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Oh yea this thread will last.
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That would depend on which family member you were talking about. Take my mother in law if you please. Smile
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Oh yea this thread will last.


Obvious, pointless troll thread(s) should be obvious.
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The world is full of evil, and pain, and lies, and death.
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A troll?
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It seems their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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Smile 😈
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It seems their hypocrisy knows no bounds.


Huckleberries, all of them.
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There are many things one can say against torture and one of them is that is pointless. Even expert torturers have said it does not work. Their argument that one must fight fire with fire and at the same time ague they must use water to do so is a nice bit of double think, straight out of the ministry of love. Speaking of double think, after the Second World War, Japanese military officials who had used water torture techniques on allied troops were successfully prosecuted Ė by the Americans. Legal torture at least in one sense is even worse than criminal torture, as it is more insidious when condoned by the law.
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There are many things one can say against torture and one of them is that is pointless. Even expert torturers have said it does not work.


This is just nonsense that is propogated to avoid the more difficult moral question. Of course it works. Ask Bill Buckley, or the agents who were killed after he gave up what he knew under torture from Hezbollah. Some last longer, but everybody talks.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Buckley
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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"...give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers, and I do better with that than I do with torture." Gen James Mattis
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I guess when Buckley was kidnapped, the "major CIA concern" must have been that he'd get beer and cigarettes.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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There are many reasons we should not use torture. It not working isn't one of them.
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There are many things they about say against torture: itís cruel, inhumane, traumatic and likely to lead to global outrage and revenge attacks. Moreover, they say, the accuracy of information obtained through it is so poor, that itís completely unreliable. Donít just take it from me. A Khmer Rouge, Kang Kek Lew, was accused, and later convicted by a UN war crimes tribunal of being the head of an interrogation centre known as S-21, where over 12,000 people were tortured and killed. During his trial, he was asked whether he believed that the information he obtained through torture was accurate. He unequivocally responded that he did not. His orders were to reveal enemy networks. His victims would name anyone they could think of, just to put an end to the suffering. One young westerner named Colonel Sanders as his alleged superior in the CIA. Some prisoners confessed to being simultaneously agents of the CIA and the KGB.
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Seems like all this torture discussion is about clandestine operations. What about the criminal who kidnapped a child and has said child somewhere with only a certain amount of food and or air in order to survive. Is torture an option then, when it can be used at once to find out whether the information is valid or not in order to save a life?
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