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Do pro coin gurus stick to money magic, or does a majority back up coin routines with cards, balls, ropes etc. ? Just wondering...
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I don't, but David Roth does some pretty card magic, and Kainoa, Curtis Kam, and Eric Jones perform wonderful card magic as well.
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I think it's nice when you can do other sorts of closeup magic. I think most folks that do coin magic, add variety and or respite by adding other things to their work, that typically they also like to do, as Doc mentions above.

I actually do all sorts of closeup magic and really enjoy it, though coin magic is my favorite magic to do. I feel more well-rounded to be able to throw in a closeup effect, like a card trick or everyday object trick. I carry Sankey's "Leaving Home" with me most days, and people always ask about the key hanging around my neck...BINGO! Smile And also like doing things that involve coins (sorta) but allow for a little more creativity and cleverness to show through you, like for years I've done a little mentalism, using 3 invisible coins...The trick is all about a coin prediction but uses no real coins. Fun, fun, fun! Smile Also, I like doing things that involve more than just coins in the effect but the focus again is on them...Here's an example: Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG6nWQwUt3k

And I do appreciate guys that specialize in one thing or other, but like to provide a little variety for my specs and myself . I typically might do 3-4 effects, usually start with a coin trick, then do a card or closeup effect, and finish with another coin trick and move on. I really think people appreciate the sorta potpourri of it. It's sorta how folks debate using SOH and or gaffs...one can enhance the other but there's people that only do either or, and that's alright too...It's all good. Smile
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Well If you Do it For A living You Do. Smile You mite Like Just Coins ! But I think A Show For Layman Should Bo More Then That! I have Even Done Kids Shows! Smile
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David Neighbors may be the Coinjurer (I've seen him at work, in person -- awesome!), but he's also more than capable as a skilled and clever Cardician, too (as many of his older books will attest).
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Hay Thanks Karnak,

Yea Well you don't Hang around Marlo For 10 years And Not And NOT do some Cards! Smile
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I love coin magic, but wouldn't do just coin effect after coin effect as a working pro. Similarly, I wouldn't just perform card trick after card trick. I try to do a variety of different effects and will perform different routines to different audiences and working environments. I remember listening to Dan Harlan at a lecture over twenty years ago, and he suggested listing down your effects and grading them based on your audience responses. I still do this now, and use this to improve and to link effects.

Although coin magic is one of my favourite forms of magic, that may not be the view of my audience. Hence, by mixing it up, I am in a stronger position to appeal to a wider range of spectator. This is vital for me, as most of my work comes from recommendation. For example, complex finger-flicking poker demonstrations may not appeal to perhaps a female audience, whereas an effect with an emotional attachment might.

Variety is the spice of life and coin magic is certainly, for me part of that variety.
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David Roth is not only good with coins and cards but taught a Fast and Loose routine, 3 Ball routine, and has a great color changing knife routine.
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Well I just Happen To Have A full Set Of Lecture Notes out On Non-Card & Card stuff! Smile Mu latest ones !
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As with everything else in magic, life, and preferences, "it depends on the person". There are many who dabble in other types of magic, and by varying degrees and what. Some are almost exclusively coins. It all comes down to what people like, how much they perform, and for who...
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Lots of interesting answers so far. I totally get the point that a pro may need more of a varied repetoir, yet there are those such as Doc who clearly have 'made it' focussing solely on coins.

If I were doing this for a living there would be no question that I'd need other material, as my coin work is not even in the same area code as most of the big guns here Smile However, as an amature hack, I think I'll stick to coins. Been practicing daily for seven - eight years only, so there is SO much more to learn.... wish I'd started this at a much younger age. Ah, hindsight is always 20-20...
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On Feb 2, 2017, CarpetShark wrote:
Lots of interesting answers so far. I totally get the point that a pro may need more of a varied repetoir, yet there are those such as Doc who clearly have 'made it' focussing solely on coins.

If I were doing this for a living there would be no question that I'd need other material, as my coin work is not even in the same area code as most of the big guns here Smile However, as an amature hack, I think I'll stick to coins. Been practicing daily for seven - eight years only, so there is SO much more to learn.... wish I'd started this at a much younger age. Ah, hindsight is always 20-20...


Great post buddy. Whether we are amateurs, full time working pros, part time working pros, specialist lecturers - whatever - we all have the same love of magic. The major difference however will be our motivation. For example, an amateurs motivation may be just to perform for fun, and will therefore practice magic that they personally like themselves and enjoy performing. A full time pro needs to earn a living, and their motivation will then be commercially driven and focused on what their customers want to see and not necessarily what they want to perform as a preference.

The great thing is that we all have a same passion - performing magic 😄
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Just loads of good information here from a variety of levels, from hobbyists to working pros, and all in-between. Smile It takes a village! Smile

While coin magic is my favorite, I have dabbled in a lot of other magic, mostly closeup stuff. Still to this day, every-so-often I just get interested in something else and I get after it with questions, effects, routines, etc. It's uncanny to me, as I will do this with all sorts of magic. For instance, of late the card bug bit me yet again, and I've been playing with them for months now and have learned all sorts of new things. And my card manipulation skills have most definitely risen. Smile I'd say I was "decent," but that's more than enough to be able to comfortably mix in a few card effects when I present for people. I did the same thing once as to mentalism, and still do one of those bits to this day. I like the simpler play of things, so you won't see me do something complex, but it will be on-the-spot amazing. Smile

As much as I love coin magic, I myself get bored at times of just manipulating coins...Gotta figure your specs get a bit glassy-eyed watching one coin trick after another, and another, and another... Smile I guess some do this, but I would think most do not as they realize that the specs are what's most important, even if they are having the time of their life. Smile Plus, it's just more fun to be able to do a little more, a little different for folks...Sorta like the difference in carrying just a pin knife, or a Swiss Army Knife. Smile
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I am not surprised that many/most coin workers enjoy magic effects of a more general nature,
but am surprised that the apparent second favorite is card tricks.

many of the sleights/methods employed by coin lovers are easily adapted to rings, balls, keys. etc. -- so, why not that direction?

Perhaps that is the reason. If you have the focused attention of a small audience such as MB discusses, and you feel they are becoming bored,
then a complete change of pace may be in order ...

yet, I can't help feel that is that is true, possibly you have already performed too many effects.
Many top performers have supported "be brief, be bold, begone" in performance.
The shift to card tricks may be confusing and dilute any feeling of "must be magic"

so, maybe a distinction should be made between performers who privately dabble in other approaches, and those who combine said effects in a performance.

It may well be that providing a mix of effects is best, but this should be planned and not from audience boredom.
Could be the problem is offering too many back-to-back coin effects, and being known as a "coin magi" is unwise.

I think that is what MB is saying too, -- just wonder about the preference for cards that can easily lead to the same problem.
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