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Hard as it is for you to imagine I was certainly not talking about you when I mention "sciency guys".
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If scientists can speculate then why can’t I?
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Who said you can't? I just choose to put far less value to your speculation.
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Not "mere" speculation. Read Newton. concise, cogent, ...start with that first rule about parsimony... No computer manufacturers, programmers, testing etc unless that's the most elegant way to account for natural events. See the book Red Shirts by Scalzi for more appropriate use of external/programming applied to events. Smile

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Scientists say...things we do not understand, the value of which is a mystery.
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There is a difference between "science" and "scientists". Wasn't it Amazing Randi (might be wrong about the author) who said that "scientists are easy to fool", in reference to Uri Geller? Lynn
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People in general are easy to fool. Which is why the scientific method is so powerful.

RE Uri Geller, remember when he failed miserably on Johnny Carson? Carson beautifully utilized the scientific method when he established controlled conditions.


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Science is losing credibility year after year.


How, specifically, would anyone else come to that opinion?


By checking it against scripture, of course.

Scripture? Could you elaborate on this John? Please forgive my ignorance, I don't know much about theology.
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On Feb 1, 2017, magicfish wrote:
Science is losing credibility year after year.


How, specifically, would anyone else come to that opinion?


By checking it against scripture, of course.

Scripture? Could you elaborate on this John? Please forgive my ignorance, I don't know much about theology.


Obvious trap is obvious John.
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Obvious John the magician?
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Obvious John the magician?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

archetype? Post Hoc, the wizard who conjures with "ex post facto!"
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On Feb 2, 2017, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On Feb 1, 2017, magicfish wrote:
Science is losing credibility year after year.


How, specifically, would anyone else come to that opinion?


By checking it against scripture, of course.

Scripture? Could you elaborate on this John? Please forgive my ignorance, I don't know much about theology.


Obvious trap is obvious John.

Trap?! What on earth are you talking about?
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Heaven knows which is not on earth but theological.
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K this is getting too weird.
I was enjoying following this thread.
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Magicfish, how exactly is "science losing credibility year after year"? You never did elaborate on that.


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Magicfish, how exactly is "science losing credibility year after year"? You never did elaborate on that.


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And, based on past performance, he never will.

You optimism is admirable though.
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My scientific credentials have been called into question several times today.
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Despite Twister's mean spirited potshots, I will try to elaborate.
Part of the reason I don't sometimes is because unfortunately, the more you reveal here, the more you get mercilessly lambasted and abused.
Anyway, for those nicer, less hostile members, I will try.
(Also, I am a much better speaker than I am a writer).
A while ago I read an interesting article about the constant delivery of science news.
Before the mobile internet craze, scientific discoveries would be reported. Some significant, some minor. But with an insatiable appetite for constant science news through daily news feeds, bits of scientific research and their results are coming in from thousands of different sources with thousands of contradicting interpretations. Every day on my smartphone I read that scientist have discovered something incredible. Its such a huge flood that its hard to know what has been proven, what hasnt, weather it was a conclusive experiment, weather the results were determined with expertise etc.
I cant do the article justice here. It was quite thought provoking and was more about lack of expertise and mistrust of sources than about "scripture".
Anyway. There, I regrettably elaborated. Now Ill stick my jaw out so the Hostile bitter twister can punch my lights out with his genius.
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What you are saying is there is an overload of information and it is a monumental task to sort through to separate the good from the bad. Makes sense to me.
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On Feb 12, 2017, magicfish wrote:
Despite Twister's mean spirited potshots, I will try to elaborate.
Part of the reason I don't sometimes is because unfortunately, the more you reveal here, the more you get mercilessly lambasted and abused.
Anyway, for those nicer, less hostile members, I will try.
(Also, I am a much better speaker than I am a writer).
A while ago I read an interesting article about the constant delivery of science news.
Before the mobile internet craze, scientific discoveries would be reported. Some significant, some minor. But with an insatiable appetite for constant science news through daily news feeds, bits of scientific research and their results are coming in from thousands of different sources with thousands of contradicting interpretations. Every day on my smartphone I read that scientist have discovered something incredible. Its such a huge flood that its hard to know what has been proven, what hasnt, weather it was a conclusive experiment, weather the results were determined with expertise etc.
I cant do the article justice here. It was quite thought provoking and was more about lack of expertise and mistrust of sources than about "scripture".
Anyway. There, I regrettably elaborated. Now Ill stick my jaw out so the Hostile bitter twister can punch my lights out with his genius.


Spare me your false outrage.

So you equate the greater availability to science, and "incredible daily discoveries!" to "science losing credibility every year".

People have memories, and from your past posts it's obvious what your beliefs are.
Those posts have also shown a pattern of making rhetorical statements, and then going silent when asked to clarify, as you did here, before displaying your hurt feelings.

Still, I suppose, that's some kind of progress.

So when you bait John with "I know nothing about theology" I call the obvious trap, and the trapper, what it is...obvious.

Now, that's my opinion which I'm entitled to, as you are yours, which of course requires you to call me "hostile" and "bitter"

Imo.
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