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On Feb 12, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
What you are saying is there is an overload of information and it is a monumental task to sort through to separate the good from the bad. Makes sense to me.


Conveniently overlooking the fact that it's each person's responsibility to evaluate every report for its individual merits.

Or, you can make a blanket statement which lacks any foundation, or substance.

Sheet gets old, real fast.
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No Mas

Smelling salts please.
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The "nothing is real" concept only works if you are OUTSIDE the construction.

From WITHIN the universe, the fact that it MIGHT be a hologram is immaterial because we are part of it and have to accept what we perceive as "reality."

(I could actually see someone coming up with the concept of a superhero whose powers derive from the fact that he can step "outside" the hologram and step back "in" at any point he chooses.)
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Just to be clear, my reply to your post want directed towards you Danny.

This whole thread was intended to be light hearted anyway.
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You can find stories of extra dimensional superheroes going at least as far back Abbot's Flatland. Smile. There's current fiction exploring what one might be able to transport across branes and what might exist between.

It's probably safer to go with a subjective narrative model with confidence limits than to presume upon what has yet to he bounded or measured with precision.

3.501 dimensions at the moment Smile
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On Feb 12, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
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On Feb 12, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote:
What you are saying is there is an overload of information and it is a monumental task to sort through to separate the good from the bad. Makes sense to me.


Conveniently overlooking the fact that it's each person's responsibility to evaluate every report for its individual merits.

Or, you can make a blanket statement which lacks any foundation, or substance.

Sheet gets old, real fast.


I said I see what he is saying, not agreeing or disagreeing.
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You can find stories of extra dimensional superheroes going at least as far back Abbot's Flatland. Smile. There's current fiction exploring what one might be able to transport across branes and what might exist between.

It's probably safer to go with a subjective narrative model with confidence limits than to presume upon what has yet to he bounded or measured with precision.

3.501 dimensions at the moment Smile


Still, if you stayed with just the "Matrix" and "real reality* it would be VERY interesting.

Would they fight to free the enslaved, or keep the illusion? How would be travel between? Etc.
The origin story would be hard to write.

Care to try?
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Twister wrote:

'So you equate the greater availability to science, and "incredible daily discoveries!" to "science losing credibility every year". '

- Not really, no. They arent necessarily actual disvoveries. Some are minor and no more than just theories that are sensationalized to provide a headline for a Science heading on a news feed. The negative results of these relentless earth shattering discoveries was kind of the point of the article.

"People have memories, and from your past posts it's obvious what your beliefs are.
Those posts have also shown a pattern of making rhetorical statements, and then going silent when asked to clarify, as you did here, before displaying your hurt feelings."

-You have absolutely no idea what my beliefs are.

"So when you bait John with "I know nothing about theology" I call the obvious trap, and the trapper, what it is...obvious."

- John and I go back aways here. He is my Countryman and I respect him.
What I actually said was 'I don't know very much about Theology' - I don't. Im not proud to say Im not even certain what the term Scripture means, hence my request for John to elaborate.
It wasnt a "trap" regardless of your arrogant assertions.
And you are correct, people here do have memories. And mine of you are hostility, bitterness, anger, and now it seems, a touch of paranoia.

P.s. Despite your bullying, the actual reason I don't elaborate much is because I don't own a computer, nor have I ever. Everything I type here is with my index finger on a cell phone.
I must now go ice it.
Please continue your crusades. Im enjoying them. But I'm afraid I must return to single sentence contributions for awhile.
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I thought you were unconscious.
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In what regard?
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Yes Macfish it is obvious, that the rise in the dominance of financial and commercial interests sponsoring science on one hand, and an increasingly ideological agenda of government-funded research on the other hand, are thwarting and clouding science’s role to promote truthful knowledge. Decline and loss of credibility is the natural consequence when science is used as a means to advance corporate interests or to push ideological agendas. The blow back to all the nonsense the elite’s scientists have been spouting, is self-evident and clearly sweeping across the fake news world as we speak.
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In what regard?


You requested smelling salts, no?
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Despite Twister's mean spirited potshots, I will try to elaborate.
Part of the reason I don't sometimes is because unfortunately, the more you reveal here, the more you get mercilessly lambasted and abused.
Anyway, for those nicer, less hostile members, I will try.
(Also, I am a much better speaker than I am a writer).
A while ago I read an interesting article about the constant delivery of science news.
Before the mobile internet craze, scientific discoveries would be reported. Some significant, some minor. But with an insatiable appetite for constant science news through daily news feeds, bits of scientific research and their results are coming in from thousands of different sources with thousands of contradicting interpretations. Every day on my smartphone I read that scientist have discovered something incredible. Its such a huge flood that its hard to know what has been proven, what hasnt, weather it was a conclusive experiment, weather the results were determined with expertise etc.
I cant do the article justice here. It was quite thought provoking and was more about lack of expertise and mistrust of sources than about "scripture".
Anyway. There, I regrettably elaborated. Now Ill stick my jaw out so the Hostile bitter twister can punch my lights out with his genius.


Thanks Magicfish. But I don't see how the zealous (and perhaps hasty) delivery of "bits of scientific research and their results" by headline hungry media outlets is a blow to the credibility of "science". Nor does "contradicting interpretations" of a scientific conclusion damage the credibility of the underlying science.


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I tend to agree with you Ron. Real science as we know it is real science as we know it.
But things have changed slightly with instantaneous mass media.
Not the actual science mind you.
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Perception has changed yes.
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The problem is the persistent narrative by those who want to undermine the very credibility of the scientific method.

SCIENTISM!!!

The fact that some scientists are for sale doesn't help, and aspects of the status quo which need to change, don't.
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Huh, fusion at room temperature? faster than light particles detected?

When did scepticism get conflated with pessimism?
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A long time ago.
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The origin story for extradimensional characters is older than once upon a time. Recent works have origin stories in alternate histories and metafiction. Again, see Anathem for a beginning and Red Shirts for a middle-of-the-action adventure.

Galaxy Quest also kinda qualifies. Smile.
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There is a difference between "science" and "scientists". Wasn't it Amazing Randi (might be wrong about the author) who said that "scientists are easy to fool", in reference to Uri Geller? Lynn


[quote]On Feb 11, 2017, R.S. wrote:
People in general are easy to fool. Which is why the scientific method is so powerful.

RE Uri Geller, remember when he failed miserably on Johnny Carson? Carson beautifully utilized the scientific method when he established controlled conditions.




Yes! It's the scientific method which is key, and not whether scientists agree on what they see or not. re Uri Geller, it's worth a look and a laugh at his website (ie his name) to see how he continues to use scientists to validate his psychic abilities, including metal bending. It's a great magic trick... geez, why can't it stand at that? Lynn
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