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Ray Chelt
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Well, if anyone is to blame it's magicians constantly seeking their next purchase.

There is very little that's new in the world of magic unless it's based around technological or mechanical advancement.

Everything else is based on variants of variants which most magicians , on here certainly, seem unable or unwilling to work out for themselves.

Good luck to Rus if he's fulfilling that need, somebody always will, so why not him.
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You are so right, Ray, but it is unfortunate.

Like many magicians, I have way more magic than I will ever be able to use in a lifetime. I don't regret it, because even after years of accumulating magic, even this year I have replaced some old stuff with some new stuff. For example, Whiplash by Josh Janousky has worked it's way into my repertoire just this year.

On the other hand, you can't blame me for venting a bit when I get suckered by crap like this.

I will go out on a limb and say that within less than a year, not a single magician, including Rus himself, will have this garbage in his wallet ready to perform with a borrowed deck.

I bet a donut that by one year from today, there isn't a single post on this thread of someone using this.

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@1KJ,totally uncool for exposing part of the method and still continue to talk about it. If you are that upset with yourself for purchasing this forward me your PayPal address and I will refund you!

My opinion on this is it's a great little effect,so simple to do, being able to use the spectators cards is a bonus for me as I don't usually carry cards with me and it DOES NOT feel like I have to carry a 500 pound gorilla on my back!

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On Feb 25, 2017, 1KJ wrote:
You are so right, Ray, but it is unfortunate.

Like many magicians, I have way more magic than I will ever be able to use in a lifetime. I don't regret it, because even after years of accumulating magic, even this year I have replaced some old stuff with some new stuff. For example, Whiplash by Josh Janousky has worked it's way into my repertoire just this year.

On the other hand, you can't blame me for venting a bit when I get suckered by crap like this.

I will go out on a limb and say that within less than a year, not a single magician, including Rus himself, will have this garbage in his wallet ready to perform with a borrowed deck.

I bet a donut that by one year from today, there isn't a single post on this thread of someone using this.

kj


God forbid you did lose that bet and have to buy someone a donut we would never hear the end of it!
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In fact, if anyone is using this one year from today, come to Los Angeles and present this effect to me. We'll have donuts AND margaritas and then we'll go to the magic castle to celebrate.
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@1KJ,totally uncool for exposing part of the method and still continue to talk about it. If you are that upset with yourself for purchasing this forward me your PayPal address and I will refund you!

My opinion on this is it's a great little effect,so simple to do, being able to use the spectators cards is a bonus for me as I don't usually carry cards with me and it DOES NOT feel like I have to carry a 500 pound gorilla on my back!

Kieran


Totally agree. Sad KJ1 couldn't just PM Rus but decided he had to expose the method. Very sad and immature.

This is an excellent effect IMO. It's a worker whick is what is important to me.

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Well I performed it last night and it got great reactions, so to each their own.

As I said earlier, I modified things a bit and placed the prediction in a single (gimmicked) envelope on the table. No wallet needed, just a small envelope that I can use with any deck.
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@1KJ,totally uncool for exposing part of the method and still continue to talk about it. If you are that upset with yourself for purchasing this forward me your PayPal address and I will refund you!

My opinion on this is it's a great little effect,so simple to do, being able to use the spectators cards is a bonus for me as I don't usually carry cards with me and it DOES NOT feel like I have to carry a 500 pound gorilla on my back!

Kieran



You know, I don't usually carry cards with me either... and... neither do my friends. If I am going to perform somewhere... I bring my cards.

Call it what you want, but buyers have a right to know certain things. That's what the café is for.

There was no exposure here. Anyone who read my posts would have no clue how to perform this from my posts.
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What's the problem with carrying around 6 outs in your wallet? Maybe you should ask Malini, he would carry a block of ice with him all day...

If you want to perform a certain effect, you need to pay a price. You are not disappointed with the effect, just with the method. You are not willing to give of yourself for your magic... or not
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So willingness to carry 6 outs in a wallet is now a measure of someone's commitment to magic... you've got to love this place, It's entertaining as hell.
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So willingness to carry 6 outs in a wallet is now a measure of someone's commitment to magic... you've got to love this place, It's entertaining as hell.


Agree. Especially when they make a comparison of carrying 6 cards to a 500 pound gorilla!

Posts like that really make you wonder how much some of these people actually perform.
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What's the problem with carrying around 6 outs in your wallet? Maybe you should ask Malini, he would carry a block of ice with him all day...

If you want to perform a certain effect, you need to pay a price. You are not disappointed with the effect, just with the method. You are not willing to give of yourself for your magic... or not


If you love the effect, by all means, carry the 6 outs. I personally think there is stronger magic with less stuff to carry. BTW, I'm not opposed to carrying something if it is worth the effect. Bang On, for example requires several things to carry. In fact, the way I perform it, I carry twice as much, but the effect is so worth it. Someone names a card, I pull out my wallet, pull out an envelope, dump the contants of the envelope in their hand, and it's their card to keep. To me that is worth carrying "some stuff".

To each their own. Some on the Café get a bit hostile because something is not someone's cup of tea.

Live and let live.

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So willingness to carry 6 outs in a wallet is now a measure of someone's commitment to magic... you've got to love this place, It's entertaining as hell.


Agree. Especially when they make a comparison of carrying 6 cards to a 500 pound gorilla!

Posts like that really make you wonder how much some of these people actually perform.


Why would you question how much someone performs? what different does that make? Some on the café are amateur, some are professional. I happen to be a part-time professional. I earn a decent amount of money through magic. But, If someone is an amateur performer who performs seldom, are they not entitled to an opinion?

I would say that probably in 90% of my posts I am positive about the effect. I'm still entitled, at least 10% of the time to share a concern, No?

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BTW, when I say 90% positive posts, I mean all my posts, not just this thread.
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So willingness to carry 6 outs in a wallet is now a measure of someone's commitment to magic... you've got to love this place, It's entertaining as hell.


Agree. Especially when they make a comparison of carrying 6 cards to a 500 pound gorilla!

Posts like that really make you wonder how much some of these people actually perform.


Why would you question how much someone performs? what different does that make? Some on the café are amateur, some are professional. I happen to be a part-time professional. I earn a decent amount of money through magic. But, If someone is an amateur performer who performs seldom, are they not entitled to an opinion?

I would say that probably in 90% of my posts I am positive about the effect. I'm still entitled, at least 10% of the time to share a concern, No?

KJ



"On the other hand, you can't blame me for venting a bit when I get suckered by crap like this."

I will go out on a limb and say that within less than a year, not a single magician, including Rus himself, will have this garbage in his wallet ready to perform with a borrowed deck."

First, I believe these your SOME of your posts. I would call these hostile posts. And I do think there are others but's neither here nor there.

Second, absolutely your are entitles to your opinion, as everyone is. But to go on expose the method (whether you think you did or not, you did) is rather amateurish. And I guess for someone who performs for money that compares carrying 6 outs to a 500 pound gorilla just raises a question mark, that's all. Many full time well-known professional performers carry outs for routines that are excellent effects.

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OK, RNK, fair enough. However, if a magician is going to have to carry 6 outs, they would want to know that in advance of purchasing the effect. As I said before, I am not opposed to carrying "stuff". I have used twice as much "stuff" for Bang On, but I knew going into it that there were outs involved.
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If that's a concern, I suggest getting one of these: http://www.full52.com/rps-envelopes/

With a little creativity and this utility envelope, you can perform this effect with a single envelope on the table (or in their hand) that contains the prediction. This is how I perform it and its been working out great.
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Thanks, David.
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Bang On, for example requires several things to carry. In fact, the way I perform it, I carry twice as much, but the effect is so worth it. Someone names a card, I pull out my wallet, pull out an envelope, dump the contants of the envelope in their hand, and it's their card to keep.


I always thought the cards were "special" - can they really keep them (without exchange)?
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