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corindaman Loyal user 263 Posts 
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I saw this on Luke's masterclass, earlier this year, had them made up by Print by Magic com . They can do all card backs.
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reignofsound Inner circle Glasgow, UK 1725 Posts
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Ordered this as can use this with friends over late night drinks.
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walkernick86 New user 22 Posts
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On Dec 8, 2020, reignofsound wrote: I am considering this trick as next month’s purchase. Let me know if it’s as good as it looks when you get it. 
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reignofsound Inner circle Glasgow, UK 1725 Posts
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On Dec 12, 2020, walkernick86 wrote: Solid release although mine arrived with red Phoenix backs. Ad copy states red bikes 🤦🏼♂️ Vanishing Inc sending replacements as I don’t use Phoenix decks. You can make your own as well though. |
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walkernick86 New user 22 Posts
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On Dec 12, 2020, reignofsound wrote: Cool thanks. Sounds like a great release. Thanks for the heads up about the cards. Sounds like they need to update the ad copy.
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no2ss Special user California 755 Posts
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For what it's worth, in the video, he not only explains how to (very easily) make your own gaffs for any deck you want, but actually suggests that making them yourselves has some *benefits* over the professionally made ones that come with the effect. There are both pros and cons to either home made gaffs or the pro ones. But I'm probably going to make my own in order to take advantage of the benefits he discusses.
Also, don't sleep on the alternatives he presents at the end of the video, which I think give you some ideas that are better than the main effect. |
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walkernick86 New user 22 Posts
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On Dec 12, 2020, no2ss wrote: Sounds good. I was debating whether to buy a pack of red Phoenix cards along with the trick, but as you suggest, I could just make a gaff out of bicycle cards instead. The bonus ideas sound interesting too. Wondering what else is possible with the principles taught with hit lol.
Either way I love the look of this effect judging by the trailer. I’ve always fancied myself as a bit of a Derren Brown ha ha.
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reignofsound Inner circle Glasgow, UK 1725 Posts
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Spent 10 minutes today making up my own gimmicks.
Work great but think I will prefer the pre-made options. |
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walkernick86 New user 22 Posts
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On Dec 13, 2020, reignofsound wrote: Sounds good. Seeing as you prefer the pre made gimmicks, I think I will Purchase as red deck of Phoenix cards along with my HIT order.
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Mark Timon Elite user 487 Posts
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Nice trick for friends and family
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Chollet Regular user Don't be fooled by the fact I only have 187 Posts
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Keep in mind you can use the pre-made gimmicks to make your own gimmicks with the back of your choosing. This will give you the "added benefit" at the same time. Just food for thought.
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1426 Posts
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I love Luke Jermay material, and I really love gambling effects -- but this one feels a bit fishy to me because out of 17 cards dealt from the deck, there isn't a single face card or ace -- that comes off as highly suspicious and I'm guessing speaks to method. From a participant's standpoint, even if they're not that familiar with the game of 21, most people know that all face cards are 10 and aces are either 1 or 11...yet none of those cards ever come up. I know what those who like this effect can say that I'm "overthinking it", but when you see Luke shuffling the deck, so supposedly it's a random dealing of cards - it just doesn't ring true that all four 3's, all four 5's, and all four 6's are dealt, and the only high card dealt is a single 10. Try dealing out 4 rounds of black Jack for two people and let me know when you don't get a single court card or ace.
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SoloDoubleAct New user North Carolina 34 Posts
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I think that is a really fair critique Mindbender, that there are no face cards. I don't think it would take too long at all to workshop a routine which uses some face cards.
But as for the suspiciousness of seeing this smattering of cards: 1. It could legitimately happen, and 2. I present it with a strong influence heavy patter like Luke did in the VI Masterclass, and as such I either just openly pull the needed cards from being mixed in to the deck or have them separated already and, either way, just present it as "I'm going to try and influence you with these cards" etc. I don't think it adds much to try and make them seem randomly chosen because I'm going to be looking at the faces anyways and I already said this is about me influencing you, so I want to use these cards to do it apparently! |
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Chollet Regular user Don't be fooled by the fact I only have 187 Posts
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I have created a hand or two that uses face cards. Really pretty simple. It ends with them making a decision to "hit" or not, or to have me "hit". There is a lot you can create if you sit down and work with the cards and the concept.
In addition, if you are making up your own gimmicks, you can easily substitute any face card for the 10. |
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1426 Posts
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Oh, that's good to hear, thanks for letting me know. Much more interested knowing I could do that, thanks SoloDoubleAct and Chollet!
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walkernick86 New user 22 Posts
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On Dec 14, 2020, Mr. Mindbender wrote: Agreed! Thanks guys! Can’t wait to get this trick in January!
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Marc O Special user The Netherlands 755 Posts
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On Dec 14, 2020, Mr. Mindbender wrote: Use a burn card between every round, you could use face cards or aces for this. |
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1426 Posts
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Okay, so I took the plunge and glad I did. First off, although for some, the pacing of the trailer was slow (and I'd agree), Jermey explains how, due to the simplicity yet flexibility of the method, the pace of the routine can be adjusted based on your presentation style and the situation.
Also, Jermey offers a few additional presentation ideas beyond the "I'm going to influence you" approach. His suggestion of using a pendulum is rather nice! Finally, I adjusted the effect to incorporate several court cards and even an Ace - so the distribution of cards feels much more random to me. In doing so, I did have to lose the presentation angle of "I want to beat you, but not so badly that you lose hope..." In the download, Jermey says he particularly likes that line, but me? Not so much...to each his own. I find it slightly illogical because in Black Jack, losing by just one is irrelevant. Bottom line is that the participant made the wrong decision between two hands and I want to keep the focus on that. By removing the idea of "losing by only one" it not only freed me up to use court cards and an ace, but also, each phase didn't have to have two cards of the same value - which happens in all four phases of Jermey's version in the trailer. But hey, I understand this is a personal preference, and others might not care about any of what I care about. Bottom line is that I think this is a terrific effect, and as with everything I buy of Jermey's, I find his thinking and creative process informative and inspirational! |
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ArtIn Inner circle Germany 1211 Posts
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On Dec 15, 2020, Mr. Mindbender wrote: Makes totally sense, thank you. 👏 I always listen up when you speak! |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12200 Posts
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I agree with mr mb. Certainly live all of Luke’s philosophy.
I will use this.
The ULTIMATE Routine Series: rebirth soon!
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