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Jean-Luc.R.
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What a great idea !
I love this .

SVENLOPES 50 BLACK. Svengali ENVELOPES. (Svengali Envelopes i) A NEW FORCE IN THE Svengali MAGIC WORLD. :
Price: $24.95

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/8141

CONCEPT – The Svengali principle is one of the oldest forcing principles in magic and mentalism. From beginners to experienced pros, almost everyone uses this principle – either in the form of Svengali cards or Svengali pads or Svengali books. But these Svengali cards, pads, books have now become too common and ubiquitous.
Enter Svenlopes. A pack of Svengali envelopes which will now add an extra layer of deception to the classic Svengali force.
QUALITY – Svenlopes are precision laser cut envelopes manufactured using auto digital process. Top quality paper of optimal gsm is used for making Svenlopes. The force is along the length of the envelopes. The difference in alternate envelopes is totally imperceptible. The almost insane level of quality control allows you to concentrate fully on your presentation rather than on the props.
TESTING – Svenlopes are individually hand tested for both making and handling before being packed.
PACKING – Each pack of Svenlopes comes out with a 2-level packing. This ensures that the pack is tamper-proof and more importantly keeps the envelope corners intact and prevents getting crushed in transit. So you get a fresh and crisp set of Svenlopes.
ROUTINES – Almost all the routines out there for the regular Svengali cards and Svengali pads/books can also be performed with Svenlopes – with an added layer of deception. In fact, when a spectator chooses one envelope out of 50, she can freely handle the single envelope as there is nothing apparently gimmicked about it. Not just that, the spectator can freely handle the pack of Svenlopes by giving it multiple complete cuts and then choosing the top envelope anytime.
WHAT YOU GET – A pack of 50 Svenlopes in black color with box packing containing 25 normal and 25 force envelopes. No routines are included.
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Picture of the black Svenlopes !

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I published this in my booklet Profeign several years ago...
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I called mine Svenvelopes...
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Good luck with the release, I'd appreciate a credit though please...
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I want a set too Smile

I have no involvement with this Sven project, but I know that Stevens Magic has this and I look forward to playing with a set.

A credit Iain? Do you know who released this per chance?

I'm also curious if this is really Sven principle - or more like a key card/envelope?

The two are different animals are they not?
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25 force and 25 normal envelopes sounds like Svengali to me.
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Yeah, someone called Sven Lee...

I'm imagining it's Bruce Lee's brother, but shorter.,
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Are you expected to show your spectator the other 51 envelopes that they contain different cards? I must be missing the point here.
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Are you expected to show your spectator the other 51 envelopes that they contain different cards? I must be missing the point here.


I was wondering the same thing.
Although I like the concept, it is critical you show what's in at least some of the other envelopes and how do you do that without it looking like you are just picking certain ones?
Showing even a few of them seems like it would really bog down the presentation and still may not be that convincing.
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Love the idea!
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Well I ordered a set from Stevens and will report back.

Iain who appears to have developed this idea is not saying much now... is this the same as what you created in 2012?

If so it seems you should be credited.

I have not a clue who is putting this out though.
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On Mar 17, 2017, Fatgumbo wrote:
Are you expected to show your spectator the other 51 envelopes that they contain different cards? I must be missing the point here.


I was wondering the same thing.
Although I like the concept, it is critical you show what's in at least some of the other envelopes and how do you do that without it looking like you are just picking certain ones?
Showing even a few of them seems like it would really bog down the presentation and still may not be that convincing.


I agree.

What do envelopes give you that a clear force bag (for example) would not?
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Good luck with the release, I'd appreciate a credit though please...

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Here's what I would do if this was my product. I would use the un-gimmicked and gimmicked envelopes with a window slot on them to show the different content inside (w/o having to open each of them). I would quickly show the contents seen through the window envelopes by riffling one way (as per the Svengali pads). Then when I'm ready for the spectator to pick one, I would turn them around so that the window part of the envelopes are turned down unseen (which rationale we convey to the spectator). Of course, the envelopes are cut to fit this force turn with the window facing down (which are easily done on a precise machine ). Finally, hand the envelopes to the spectator and let them riffle and stop on one. Pull it out and behold: YOUR FORCE!

I'm not defending such a product, but here's the benefit to having this kind of envelope (which is a different way to force than the two-way clear bag) Brett Barry. Unlike, the SvenPad, which I love (as well as the maker Smile ) and just bought 3 more of the smaller ones to use on a show—just to be clear, if the envelopes are made well, one can reuse them many times and all one has to do is change the contents and the type of force. The advantage of this over a SvenPad is that once you write whatever force you decide to do on the pad, that's it. You will forever be forced to used this force (no pun intended). You must buy another pad to do another force. With such envelopes that I'm think about WHICH DO NOT EXIST (Brett Barry here's an idea for you), NOT THESE, one simply changes the contents of the type of force and reuse the gimmick over and over, like a clear-force bag. OK, now I've come full circle to Brett Barry's point. Why use envelopes rather than a clear force bag? Well, the answer to that is obvious, once I thought about it a bit more. Why have SvenPad if a clear force bag exist, Luca Volpe's Black Box, Mark Shortland's AMAZE BOX, CARD FORCE techniques, etc. . . ? ANSWER: One will use a particular force that best fits his peculiar and particular effect, which criteria that determines this is time, patter, venue, effect, presentation, etc. . . .

So, my conclusion is that there may be room for this kind of force with the idea I've presented above, but not the SVENLOPES 50 Black—which remain a mystery how one can present the contents inside to the spectator.
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If your suggestion would be to make them windowed envelopes, then what is the reason for having them in envelopes to begin with? Seems to defeat the purpose.
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Well I ordered a set from Stevens and will report back.

Iain who appears to have developed this idea is not saying much now... is this the same as what you created in 2012?

If so it seems you should be credited.

I have not a clue who is putting this out though.


When I saw it advertised I assumed you were putting it out. I guess not!
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IAN,

Brett just informed me that you had this idea I presented here on a Café forum in 2012? Did you also think of presenting the envelopes the way I've described it here?
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TuneHV,

The reason to use windows I've explained above. Why put them in envelopes and turn them around unseen for the spectator to pick is the same reason you have box, bag or even cards turn downwards and ask the spectator to pick. All that this sort on devise (Clear-SvEnvelopes I've suggested which Idea supposedly IAN seem to have) adds is one more device to the number of other force devise to the market. Thus, here I conclude with what I've said above:

"Why use envelopes rather than a clear force bag? Well, the answer to that is obvious, once I thought about it a bit more. Why have SvenPad if a clear force bag exist, Luca Volpe's Black Box, Mark Shortland's AMAZE BOX, CARD FORCE techniques, etc. . . ? ANSWER: One will use a particular force that best fits his peculiar and particular effect, which criteria that determines this is time, patter, venue, effect, presentation, etc. . . .

So, my conclusion is that there may be room for this kind of force with the idea I've presented above, but not the SVENLOPES 50 Black—which remain a mystery how one can present the contents inside to the spectator."
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