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Another informative answer. Thank you!

The hardest thing to find in any coaching/mentoring/business development relationship is always trust. Who's out to earn their money and help, and who's out for "easy money" promising the world lol.

I have so much admiration for people who make it in entertainment businesses. I appreciate the perspective gentlemen.
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"If you want to be successful, find someone who has achieved the results you want and copy what they do and you'll achieve the same results."

Tony Robbins
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On Jun 21, 2017, Tim Friday wrote:
"If you want to be successful, find someone who has achieved the results you want and copy what they do and you'll achieve the same results."

Tony Robbins


That quote is only true if you possess the same talents.
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And is typically only true as a generalization in perception. You more than likely do not or can not understand what they actually do to have achieved their success. Most see only the perception of that they THINK the person is or has done to achieve their success. Yes, then the talent strongly mist be at play for it even to be possible.

How many kids for years have tried to copy Michael Jordan over the years yet still have never come close the same same success. You must deal in honesty and reality too. There is usually much more at play that what most think they see.
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Yea exactly. And opportunities.
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Guys, have you heard of Tony Robbins and are you familiar with any of his work or message?
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Yes. Very. He is a very food cheerleader and revs people up to buy his products very well.

Obviously you are a true believer. Cool. No problem.
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Of course. Do you take us as idiots?
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Tim- do you agree or disagree with the points we are making?
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I have to say, this is quite bizarre to me. Tony Robbins is viewed as THE leader when it comes to helping people reach peak performance and breaking past limiting obstacles. While he is highly respected in the business world, his influence goes far beyond just the business world, he's a household name.

Charlie Checkers, not only do I agree with the quote I posted, I have lived out the quote. I have had several different coaches, even though my strengths and talents were different from their strengths and talents, I am still able to copy much of what they do and I have achieved similar results of success.

I have recently been going through Personal Power II, wow, what an incredible program. Everyone could benefit from going through this program. I was able to get a digital copy on eBay for about $30.
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He didn't ask you if you agreed with your own post, he asked you about the other posts in response to yours?
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As Walter frequently points out, context is so important.

My brother initiated this thread. He did so because he has found value in receiving coaching. Mindpro is his coach. So, those posting here all understand how one can gain valuable knowledge and insights from others who are successful.

In order for the quote from Tony Robbins to have value in a thread about coaching, that would take the discussion to a higher leve, additional context or discernment is needed. What several of us have been pointing out is that while it is of course wise to seek advice from others, trying to copy what they did often leads to disappointment because of the factors mentioned. There are numerous quotes about the value on being original and not copying others from successful people. They are not implying that one just wing it without guidance from others.
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Ok, I will give a more direct response. I actually believe you are right about the talent point, here is why:

You read the quote and assigned a meaning to it that a person must have a similar level of talent to emulate success. Since you assigned this meaning to the quote, you have a limiting belief that you must have a similar level of talent. So yes, you are right in your interpretation.

But your interpretation is not the only interpretation. One thing Tony Robbins teaches is our brain assigns meaning but it is often inaccurate meaning, the meaning then shapes our beliefs. He teaches how to reprogram the meaning our brain has assigned and break through to new levels of success.

In his TED talk, Tony Robbins asks the question - what's the difference between people who have been provided with abundant resources, money and privileges etc, and they spend their life going in and out of rehab? And then you have people who have been through ultimate pain, all kinds of abuse, and not always, but often they are the ones who contribute the most to society.

Why is this? Simply a matter of talent, or is there more going on?

The responses are very puzzling to me. I had hoped and thought a quote from an authority like Tony Robbins would be well received here. Best of luck to you all.
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Ah, charlie I see we just posted at the same time, great minds think alike!
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If talent can’t be learned then every penny you pay a coach would be wasted. Being successful at something
really comes down to dedicating yourself to develop and master skills. Talent is just a starting point.


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One thing Tony Robbins teaches is asking yourself questions to change beliefs. One question he shares is:

What else could this mean?

I would encourage everyone to go back and read the quote with the question "What else could this mean?" in mind. Read from the frame of context that Tony Robbins is a world renowned motivator, sought after by top athletes. Maybe this quote could be helpful considering it comes from the world's best motivator. What else could this quote mean that could help me be more successful.

Best of luck!
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Talent is defined as a natural aptitude or skill. It cannot be learned. One can develop their natural abilities to further excentuate the positive impact, but that is all.
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If you wait on talent you going to miss a lot of opportunities.
Sometimes you have to ‘just do it’ as they say. We often can't see
talent until we have used it. Smile

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On Jun 22, 2017, Tim Friday wrote:
One thing Tony Robbins teaches is our brain assigns meaning but it is often inaccurate meaning, the meaning then shapes our beliefs. He teaches how to reprogram the meaning our brain has assigned and break through to new levels of success.



Still context is necessary to present a point. There is nothing in this quote you provided of Tony above that myself and every other certified Hypnotherapist doesn't know, use and practice as elementary 101 understanding and application. It not any kind of breakthrough or unique content. If you've taken coaching from other change agents I am sure it was likely present in their trainings as well.

If or when Cafécheckers would post here "I have been coaching with Mindpro and have enjoyed great and measurable success so far already" you would have been one of the first ones on here (I believe something to this affect actually happened earlier in this thread) and say it was just a general blanket statement, opinion or provided nothing to backup the claim.

So the same is occurring here, which is why additional context is needed when making such a general and blanket statement and why others are inquiring and providing such additional context.
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The quote shared by Tony Robbins was likely meant for a lay audience looking for general direction in their life or pursuit. Here, it is out of context. I could have hired other coaches or purchased other courses that were specifically designed for children's entertainers. I could have copied The Great Zucchini, who I know and respect. I did not choose those paths because it would limit my possibilities. So, in the context of a discussion on coaching for entertainment business, copying others falls short of great advice.
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