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Mary Mowder
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When just one card or position is evident like seeing the bottom card of the deck to know the top card, I can have trouble going in the right direction, knowing whether to go one ahead or one behind the card showing. I got past it though. I think the visual way I think makes the peg system easier, once I went through the process of learning it.

Not all dyslexics have the same problems. It is a broad issue. I have 3 brothers with Dyslexia (out of 5) and it is different for all of us.

Alex, what seems to be making it hard for you in particular? Part of the problem could be that you were led to think it was easy. All of these systems take time and practice.

If the images are made to interact with the next in line like the tot, (11) putting a tin (12) on her head it can get you past some sticking points. The whole thing does not have to link, just where you are having a problem.

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On Apr 1, 2017, Shikanominarazu wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what about mnemonic systems gives people with dyslexia trouble?


It's different for different types of dyslexics.

While Mary had an issue with direction (she has a "Material Reasoning" strength), I myself have an issue with too many connections to consciously recall at the same time (or at least fast enough to perform a trick without rote memory). My "interconnected reasoning" strength is done on a subconscious level.

This video gives an example of what it's like for many dyslexics recalling information that isn't set as nearly permenant...

https://youtu.be/Z2CIjD1gEiE

You get in the habit of asking questions you already have the knowledge of, because recalling it takes longer than asking someone else.

A study was shown that most people who access the internet regularly are having the same happen on a smaller scale, because their brain has gotten used to being able to Google any info they need rather than retain it.
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On Mar 28, 2017, mtgoldstein wrote:
Alex do yourself a favor. Go to Doug's site and pick up Quickerstack. The "algorithm " is so much more logical to me than the Joyal. The more you work it the more it will morph into a memorized stack.


While math is ultimately "logical", the math adds time to the math the effect I'm using it for already requires. The one rule recall of Joyal doesn't require processing of numbers via equation. It quickly narrows down possible positions and then uses a universal rule that chooses which of those it is.


Interesting. I find Quickerstack to be more a visual association ( avoiding details ) than mathematical.
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But the most visual for me and my favorite is Maigret.
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Listening to Science Friday and this came up.

Hope it is not too off topic. It is about how brain differences can be a strength.

https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/t......ference/

Interesting and personally inspiring.

-Mary Mowder
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I don't recommend using a mnemonic device to learn a stack. Just brute force it. Personally, I consider the mnemonic route a waste of both time and mental space. That said, I suppose you will set up some minor mnemonic associations while brute forcing a stack. For example, 13 is the 2D in the Aronson Stack. So you have 1-2-3 there... This is just an observation made while relying on rote memorization, but it will always stick with me, I suppose the observation did help with the memorization.

There are a few apps out there that look to be particularly helpful for memorizing a stack via brute force. I just discovered The Ultimate Stack Trainer (for Android). This looks like one of the best around to me. I find it to be particular useful in speeding up "card before" and "card after" card recall, but it'd definitely teach you your stack fast if you used it for that purpose.
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To repeat ... don't be too quick to take others' advice about "the best way" to learn a memorized stack. Simply stated, there is no "best" way. What works well for one will be a disaster for others. People differ, considerably. Learning styles are not the same for all. There are four good methods for learning deck stacks, and all four of them have been popular/successful for decades. Research and experiment to find which is best for you.

(There are additional reasons to choose among the four learning methods, but compatibility with one's own learning style is a major factor.)
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Well said Mr Dyment!
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Just saw this thread. I could write a book about some of the remarks here - but I don't really want to go into it. I just want to tell you one thing, and you can "take" it as you like.

A few decades ago I wrote an article about how sometimes "bad becomes good." It included a few personal examples - like how getting typhoid fever saved my life (I wrote about that in Before I Forget) - but what I feel is apropos here is - I am dyslexic, and it was/is dyslexia that forced me into doing something about my memory - which gave me a career! And I really laugh when I read about taking many hours to memorize a deck or "use brute memory." Such great advice! With my dyslexia, and of course with my systems, I can memorize a deck in minutes.
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