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What did these amateurs think they were doing yesterday? Did they really think that anyone would believe that they were really trying to improve healthcare for the mass of voters? They had a nice big fat target in Obamacare and made a train wreck. At this rate 2018 is not going to be pretty for the current occupants.
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Yeah... this'll last..
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It's sad. The affordable care act was really... the unaffordable care act. And, these jokers can't come up with something better. It's pure greed and corruption. No one wants to take care of the regular person. Our political leaders are too busy sucking up to pharma.

If people only knew how they were getting fleeced by our taxes. Our taxes should cover every single person to make sure they have life, health, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

We don't have a health care system, we have an illness care system.

Try searching youtube "Eat, Fast, & Live Longer". these are the things we should be teaching people... how to live healthier without spending a penny on some greedy pharmaceutical crook.

The Senate has been bought and sold out.

Shame on most of them.
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On Mar 25, 2017, Salguod Nairb wrote:
Yeah... this'll last..


Seconded.
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On Mar 25, 2017, Salguod Nairb wrote:
Yeah... this'll last..


Seconded.


I think we should play a game until this is inevitably deleted. We should each pick someone from the other side of the spectrum and answer for them. I mean don't we have everyone's answers pretty down by this point?

Sorry Jack but even starting this is pointless even if it stays up.
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Hopefully this doesn't get deleted. It is IMPORTANT, and it fits in the theme "Not very magical" Hopefully the lords of the café will find it in their heart to hold on to their cahones and stand up to something that is important to every magician out there just trying to make a life.

God Bless.
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Well... you just brought God into it so it is defiantly on its way out.

It's just a matter of time before someone plays their Trump card...
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GOD BLESS! Amen.
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...and the blessings of the most merciful Allah right back at you.
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You see, the problem is that they couldn't stand so much winning.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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When the center can't hold...
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When the center can't hold...


...chaos ensues.
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The reason this gang couldn't shoot straight on a replacement law is that they don't believe in a replacement. Their heart wasn't in it, except for the repeal part. Plus, the gang's new leader was interested only in a personal "win"--any bill, no matter its content or impact on a nation, because he neither knew anything nor cared anything about the subject. He wanted credit for making a "deal." Any deal. If it happened to bear no resemblance to what he repeatedly swore to deliver to those who made him gang leader, so be it.

What this gang's members really wanted is a return to the "good old days" before the ACA, when insurance companies all could, and all did sell scam insurance to the masses: capped annual benefits, capped lifetime benefits, and the ultimate out--sorry, Charlie, that's a pre-existing condition you've got there. And because all the health insurance companies did this in lockstep (because they could), the masses had no alternatives. The "market" wasn't. Result: giant swaths of the American citizenry unable to afford the premiums for this illusory health insurance or carrying health "insurance" that proved not to be, especially if they became gravely ill (literally).

Turns out, some things don't work when left to unregulated capitalism. Perhaps chief among these is the health of the citizens comprising a nation. We had decades of proof and the mass casualties of it, yet this gang--all of whom were gifted with an inexpensive, private insurance plan--clings to the delusion that everything was just dandy and yearns to return to an egregious, inhumane system (to quote MLK) whose unspoken mantra is, "If they die, they deserve it." To them, their fellow citizens who toil for regular or lower wages and struggle to support their families, and whose back-breaking work helped make them rich, are weaker members of the herd that ought to be sacrificed if the alternative is meaningful regulation of health insurance companies or parting with a few precious pennies of their fortunes.

What happens now is a concerted effort by this gang to kill the ACA through a thousand cuts, starting with the gang leader ordering the IRS not to enforce the modest tax penalty on individual freeloaders who refuse to insure themselves with actual, affordable insurance and thereby drive up everyone's premiums and costs. Oh, wait, he's already done that. So on to step two, then three, then four--until the self-implosion lie they've been selling becomes a half reality and they can crow, "See? Told you so."

Unfettered capitalism can be grand. It can also be a death sentence when shoehorned into places it doesn’t belong and doesn’t work, except for the capitalists.
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Daaaaaaamn!!
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In reality one side was more interested in looking like they were doing something than doing it.

Never underestimate them as the gang who couldn't shoot straight. I think they get exactly what they want. Not their boss, but the gang.
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POLITICIANS

Definition: Elected officials, supposedly representing the citizenry, that know what they must do...but can't do it!

JMHO
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In reality one side was more interested in looking like they were doing something than doing it.

Never underestimate them as the gang who couldn't shoot straight. I think they get exactly what they want. Not their boss, but the gang.


You could well be right. Whether through ineptitude or by design (once the gang saw they couldn't get away with straight, overt repeal), they are where they want to be:
taking credit for having "tried" and poised to frustrate and starve the ACA to a de facto repeal.
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In reality one side was more interested in looking like they were doing something than doing it.


Could be. Probably worse for them if it had actually passed. I think the blowback from the consequences would have been bad by 2018, and totally messed up by 2020, greatly affecting their re-election plans.

Call me naive, but why is it so hard to actually do something decent for the mass of people vis-a-vis healthcare, and be happy to win votes for that? And this is truly a non-partisan question, because I genuinely ask this about both Parties,being no fan of Obamacare either.
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The answer would get the thread deleted faster.
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LOL!
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