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JudgeBean
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I am looking for the book
Quick and Effective Cold Reading by Richard Webster.
I know I should buy Ian book
(dont have a credit card)
and when looking for palm reading books
someone always says.......you should get
Richard Websters Quick and Effective Cold Reading.
But I can not find anyone that has it...i have tried
Stevens I have tried Denny

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Try with MISDIRECTIONS Magic Shop...

http://www.misdirections.com/mental.html

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OK-- so I do have to reveal (and no insult meant for the esteemed writer, Richard Webster) There is no such thing as quick and effective cold reading. In fact, I kinda remember a portiuon of this book is devoted to saying just that. There is badly learned quick cold reading (almost) and effective cold reading well understood, well practiced and properly presented.

If you do not get Ian Roland's book you will miss the opportunity to learn what is right and maybe more importantly what is wrong in palm. tarot, number, astrology, card, phrenology and similar readings when either presented badly -- or done without adequate study and purpose of the entertainment skill.

And make no mistakes -- a glib tongue will get you into trouble in cold reading if you are not careful. Several states, and some cities even have laws against its use -- even in magic shows.

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Thank you Chmara
I needed guidance and encouragement.
I was seeking a book to understand palm reading
better. I am glad I can ask questions here
with out being put down or riduculed for asking them.
This will help me grow as a performer.

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On 2004-04-02 19:01, JudgeBean wrote:
I am looking for the book
Quick and Effective Cold Reading by Richard Webster.
I know I should buy Ian book
(dont have a credit card)
and when looking for palm reading books
someone always says.......you should get
Richard Websters Quick and Effective Cold Reading.
But I can not find anyone that has it...i have tried
Stevens I have tried Denny
JudgeBean

Hi JB
Regardless of whether it is good or bad
It is the BEST of the lot for this reason
You will be able to do short palm readings of a sort the next day
BUY IT
TJ
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Get Richard websters book it has to be the best book on doing "Quick and Effective Cold Readings". I have Ian's book to. Its a good read. But with Richards book you will be getting great reactions in a very short time. And you can do these readings anywhere. Plus its a SYSTEM which you can grow further.

I can't rate this book any higher. When you get it it looks like a load of rubbish. But when you try it, it gets great reactions even from sceptics.....
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Hi Judge!

After Study Webster book, try to get The Dance by Brad Henderson. Is an amazing book about the art of doing readings, with tons of specific techniques for improve your readings.

Besides, is a book wich transmit a consisten respect for the “sitter”, and that's the key point on a reading.
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I too recommend Brad's "The Dance". I feel that this is a wonderful 2nd book for anyone interested in Cold Readings.

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I must say that I have learnt a lot from:
Red Hot Cold Readings
The King of the Cold Readers
Completely Cold
Advanced Cold Reading Techniques

but you do need Ian Rowlands Full Facts, it's like Corindas 13 Steps as far as it is to be studied as a text book and referance book. I find that to then perfect the reading you apply what is learnt from the above 4 books.
Also some would suggest a book or two on the system you will use, tarot, runes, astrology etc, I do not use any of these as I don't seel myself as a psychic but I do use readings very much in the way that Derren Brown and maybe even Knepper suggest by adding personality readings into effects or elaborating on a phrase that has been written down like "moving house" as an early memory.
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And for the exact reason that Ian's book is only really truly useful if all you want to do is sprinkle reading nuggets into other routines, I advise against it. Get a real book on Tarot or Palm reading instead.

/Bamba
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Webster, Dewey, Riggs, Kross are among the best books you can find on the subject. Those are people that have spent / spend most of their lives in doing psychic readings - both on stage and, especially, one on one. Period.

Another one who treats readings seriously (as they should be treated when you dela with people's lives) is Paul Alberstat but (sorry for my ignorance on that, Paul!) I don't know if he has ever actually put out some full books on the subject.

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Judgebean,

As Bamba suggested, it really depends on if you want to do actual readings, or just want to spruce up your magic.

What makes Webster's material good is his respect, and knowledge, of actual reading systems (same for Riggs, Kross etc). I agree that there is no real 'quick and effective' way to do readings, but his book is a good start.

The problem with Ian's book is that he mocks such beliefs. For him, readings are just creative ways to present ambigous statements. There are just too many lay people out there who have SOME knowledge of actual systems.

If you can't walk the talk, you'll just embarass yourself as a reader. As a magician, or someone who performs for skeptic groups, Ian's book may fit the bill though.

jr
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Judge,

I also think that’s important to actually learn about the method you are supposedly using: palmistry, tarot, cards, runes, whatever. Even if you don’t use it, sooner or later you will need to provide some information to your audience.

But, the interesting thing is... as had been stated here in many other threads, if you actually learn the method, you will be amazed of how useful it is to actually do the readings...
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The problem with Ian's book is that he mocks such beliefs. For him, readings are just creative ways to present ambigous statements.

For the record, I don't think this even comes close to a fair and accurate summary of my book, its contents, or my attitudes. But hey, opinions are free, and it would be a dull world if we all saw things the same way!

Brad Henderson's book, The Dance, is very good and I like the author. He and I don't agree on everything, but I don't have a problem with that and neither does he. He's a great guy to meet and hang out with, and his book is a very inspiring read. I also think that Brad's book has a much more contemporary feel than many of the 'classic' texts that are often mentioned in this context.

I understand those who stress the need to actually learn the nostrums of a given system, and this is, of course, a perfectly good option. The only point to make is that is not a _necessary_ one. It is entirely possible to deliver readings which are satisfactory in all respects, and which the subject will validate as "99.9%" accurate, without actually knowing the stipulated maxims of a given system. As a corollary to this, it has been shown empirically that it makes no material difference to the success of readings if the reader offers statements which are the precise opposite of the supposedly 'correct' statements of a given divinatory system. Susan Blackmore's book, 'Adventures of a Parapsychologist', is very illuminating in this regard.

But necessary or not, taking the time to actually learn the tenets of a given system can't harm the Reader's success and, I imagine, can only help, if only because it will aid the Reader's confidence and preparedness.
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Is the Richard Webster book refered to above entitled, " Revealing Hands" ? I have this book and found it very good for learning the lines of the hands and some useful patter.
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Any Richard Webster book is a gold mine of info, but the one referred above is called as referred above:

Quick And Effective Cold-Reading

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Thanks for the kind words,Ian. I think Ian's book isthe best catalog of cold reading type statements in existence and every reader would benifit from having this resource at their disposal. I think he has really examined "what" the reading is composed of to a degree you will find no where else.

I would like to clarify a point about the importance of a method and am interested how Ian feels on this. While I agree with Ian that what you say in no way needs to be accurate as far was what the method "indicators" tell you, I believe however the use of a method not only gives your readings greater credibility but also allow for more interpretive dances than being a "pure psychic." Cialdini's wonderful book "Influence" discusses a similar point, which is if we provide evidence for a statement, regardless of whether or not that evidence is really valid, the act of providing evidence or attribution increases the likelihood the the statement being accepted as fact.

Any thoughts Ian?
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Quick and Effective Readings - Richard Webster is available here:

http://www.ronjo.com/Merchant2/merchant.......de=rw-01
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On 2004-04-03 06:15, shrink wrote:

I can't rate this book any higher. When you get it it looks like a load of rubbish. But when you try it, it gets great reactions even from sceptics.....


I agree with Shrink.

Get "quick and effective cold readings" and also "the complete book of palmistry", also by Richard Webster. These two books are all you need to become a palmist.
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Hi truthteller! I'll send you an email, as I suspect we're in danger of straying into a major debate which would take up too much space here and not really help Judge Bean's question. My apologies.

Richard Webster's books are very good in terms of giving the reader a 'fast track' way to assimilate enough to be able to go out and give effective readings. Martin Breese kindly sent me Richard's CD of Quick & Effective readings when it first came out, and it is a very useful learning tool because you can actually hear Richard giving some short readings to people.

The other book I recommend apart from Brad's is Ron Martin's 'Tarot Reader's Notebook'.
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