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Hi everyone,

I am new to sponge ball magic and have ordered the Amazing Easy to learn magic with sponge balls DVD by Ben Selinas. I wanted to learn some basics and then maybe getting more material. My question is if any others have experience with this DVD or Ben Selinas is it a great source to start with? Thanks a lot Smile
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For all magic basics, I recommend Daryl. http://www.daryl.net. The sponge ball DVDs are excellent and inexpensive.
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I like Jay Noblezada, spelled wrong, for starting out then WGM to get some cool ideas
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Look for The Spongeball Toolbox by Steve Dacri, some really excellent stuff on there!
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Ben Salinas is a very skillful magician and the DVDs I have by him are good. I don't have this particular DVD, but it should be fine for starting with the sponge balls. I suggest you learn the moves he teaches and work out a good routine. Perform it for a few people and concentrate on your presentation before you add more moves.

When you feel that you need more presentation, get one or more of the other DVDs mentioned above. I really like Patrick Page's videos, but his are not better than others. You don't need every video out there unless you are looking for encyclopedic knowledge of the sponge balls.

-Patrick
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Thanks for your time and answers. I will take a look at the materials mentioned.
Haha! Patrick I know Smile I just want to be good at the basics and make one or two routines as some refreshing supplement to my routines.
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Xander!

Also, pick up a "purse frame". You will find it very useful, especially with sponge balls.
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Hi Dick, thanks for your reply Smile That's a fun little detail with the purse frame.
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I keep meaning to brush up on my sponge balls. I used to love the things, but sort of forgot about them for 5 or 6 years and have yet to relearn a routine. Bad Patrick!

They are so impressive to kids. I remember entertaining a group of younger kids at a Cub Scout meeting once with nothing but a set of sponge balls. For 40 minutes. The best bit was slipping "one" (apparently) into the hand of the 3 year old and telling her to rub it on the table (like I did to split the ball at the start) and her brother (age 6) started shouting "wow, sister, how did you do that?" Top volume. She just smiled gently and it drove him nuts. He must have halfway worn out one of those balls trying to roll it into two... In my hands, he expected a trick, but he didn't figure out that it could be a trick when his little sister did it, too.

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Patrick...

Are you familiar with the old Martin Gardner "Passe Passe" or "Ten Count" sponge routine?
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Is that the one where I cover the two balls with the backs of my open hands and count ten while taking one in each hand? Normally done twice, with the first time being just what it looks like and the second ten count resulting in two balls in my right hand, none in the left. Didn't realize that was Gardner's bit. I learned it from the magic shop that sold me my first sponge balls. I also saw it on Patrick Page's DVD.

My favorite sponges for a while were shaped like teddy bears. I gave them names and one was the mischief maker who got a time out. But he kept coming back out to play. This is the 2 in hand bit because the time out is in my pocket. You know where the routine ends up. All of them go play hide and seek.

There are sponge bunnies now, as well as ladybugs, so the personification can be done with those and be even cuter.

Man! I need to get the sponges out again!

Patrick
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That's it! Martin's Passe routine has been "around" since forever! I still have a MIMEOGRAPHED instruction sheet for it.

When on the road, my close up was usually limited to a couple of quick coin bits for the high school stage crew. I used a very basic two ball and purse frame routine in the high schools.
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On Apr 5, 2017, Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse wrote:
I like Jay Noblezada, spelled wrong, for starting out then WGM to get some cool ideas


I disagree. This is horrible for beginners. Completely disregards what beginners really need to know and lacks any real insight.


Do try the Patrick Page DVD. It's cheap and awesome.
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Daryls Master course in sponge balls dvds or Steve Dacri's Sponge ball toolbox get my vote
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Why do you not like Noblezadas sponge dvd Ambitiouscard
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I'd have to re-look at it to get specifics but I do remember thinking it was full of holes and very irresponsibly done (as was his shell game dvd).
Not only that, the dvd was entitled "the last word on sponge balls", which was an extreme exaggeration, to say the least.
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I can definitely agree it's not the last word. I remember it doing fine as a starting point
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That's kind of my point... when someone doesn't know... they don't know what they don't know.
For the beginner, with no background whatsoever, they don't notice what was being taught incorrectly.

Here's a different example that shows you the kind of thing I'm talking about that would totally fly by a beginner:
Using a Svengali deck to show.. "and now they're all your card!!!". Beginners love that phase because they are ignorant of a deeper understanding of magic. That phase tips the gaff and should never be done. That phase is done to help sell decks, but it's irresponsible.

Same goes for the 3-shell game phase ..."it's not under any of the shells. it's in my pocket". Beginners love that phase and it sells DVDs but it should never be done. It tips the fact that the operator can do whatever he wants and there's no reason to "watch the shell with the pea".

Someone with years of understanding and experience can decide when those phases are appropriate but a beginner cannot.

I cannot remember the specifics on the sponge dvd unfortunately but it seems there were a lot of "hows" without the needed "whys".
And a beginner really needs the "whys" to help them think properly.
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Beautifully said, Frank!

There is an old axiom in business: THE MAN WHO KNOWS "HOW", WORKS FOR THE MAN WHO KNOWS "WHY".

I'll repeat my mathematical formula: Magic is 5% Sleight of hand skills, 5% Sensory illusions, 5% esoteric science principles, and 85% PSYCHOLOGY.
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Thanks Frank. I went ahead and bought the dvd you mentioned to see what I missed. I do like the WGM dvd for its ideas
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