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Bill Hegbli
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Besides the Palmo and Simplex, there is also the tape dye tube. They are harder to find these days since Morrissey went out of business and Johnson Products sold off their stock and decided to not make more. The only draw back is the turn over move required, but Pat Page and Ken Brooke favored this gimmick over others. I believe General Grant may have a few left.
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Un-fortunately, the best place to find these is in Magician's estate sales.

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Frederick Goode uses a gimmick he made himself from a plastic toothbrush holder purchased from a Dollar Store. It is a bright red color. If you perform it well, you don't need to have it made of metal, or flesh colored, or expensive. It should never be seen or expected. It is one of many described in Dollar Store Magic Book 2 at The Magic Nook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxwhPIVUskU&feature=youtu.be
Bill Hegbli
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I have 6 tape dye tubes in my estate. Smile
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OOOOH! I only have three!

Here comes the "but": >>>but, ONE of them is "brand" NEW!!!<<< HEE HEE HEE HEE, So there!

(Not only THAT, one is from the original Tarbell Correspondence Course gimmick kit!)
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Another piker with only three (that I can put my hand on) but mine don't get any use. There is also a version with a cork plug.

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Ben,

Good advice from your CFO.

I have both the Rice Palmo and Simplex. Learned routines with both of them - first the routine from Laflin's and then Pop's. Multiple references are a good thing - I learned small pointers from each that helped improve my presentation.

I'm glad I got the Rice products when I did. Their palmo is sold out now, not sure about the simplex. Spending $10 or $20 on a prop that will last a lifetime is nothing in the magic world. Spend the $ and learn the routine. Once learned, you have it for life.

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Is this the tape-style tube that's being referred to?
http://stores.silkmagictricks.com/produc......ght.html

Edit: Also, the Simplex and the "pocket" size Baker-style dye tubes are still in stock, as they should be waiting for me in my mailbox when I get home from work today.

For routines, I was honestly already considering grabbing Pop's color-changing routine to supplement the Palmo DVD, mostly by virtue of how happy I was with the Intricate Web of Distraction. With the added push from here, I went on and pulled the trigger. I also went looking for the other suggested routines, but I couldn't find too many leads on them. Probably due to poor searching on my part.

One thing I've learned from lurking here, however, is that many popular routines have storied lineages, and I may yet turn up a routine that has one of the above-mentioned routines in its "family tree," as it were.
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Ben, yes, hat is the tape dye tube.

Billy McComb Half dyed silk routine.

http://www.abbottmagic.com/Instant-Instr......oryId=-1

This question has been asked many time in this topic of the Café. You can search this section as well. The search engine works very well on the Café now.

You should have purchased Thru-the-Dye tube booklet from Rice as well, being you got the Baker style tube, aka plunger style dye tube, that is for rolling in a paper tube more then a hand held device. Don't know who you ordered from, but I know of only one old routine that used this dye tube for hand use, it was by Sam Berland some 50 years ago.

My 1st introduction to the Al Baker EZ Dyeing Silks, comes with dye tube and silks.

http://www.abbottmagic.com/Abbotts-EZ-Dy......oryId=-1
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Bill,

In an odd twist, I'd already purchased a CD-ROM with all 4 volumes of the Encyclopedia of Silk Magic in PDF format several years ago -- I got it for its extensive reference on production apparatus in Volume 1. Because I already had all 4 volumes, I passed on Thru the Dye-Tube.

I got the dye tube in addition to the hand gimmicks, so if I decide I like silk I have a dye tube already ready for additional effects.

Speaking of the gimmicks, all of them arrived yesterday and I spent some time in front of the mirror with the Simplex and the Palmo by themselves, no silks at all, before I even popped the shrink wrap on the DVD. They're quite intuitive to work with. I think I'm going to have a lot of fun with this. Smile
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The Porper tube is still around, and available here:
http://illusion.works/product/dye-tube/

I highly recommend Pop Haydn's routine, as he is a Certifiable Genius.
http://www.popsmagic.com/store/p75/Pop_H......deo.html

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Http://www.grandillusions.com/product/dyetube/
Ugly pictures but great product.
Bill Hegbli
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Rice never made a medium and large size Simplex to my knowledge, it was always one size.

They are still available from Rice Silk King Studios.

http://www.silkkingmagic.com/Rice's%20Simplex.htm

It is the Palmo that they are sold out of according to their announcement.
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On Apr 28, 2017, scottjenkins wrote:
The Porper tube is still around, and available here:
http://illusion.works/product/dye-tube/

I highly recommend Pop Haydn's routine, as he is a Certifiable Genius.
http://www.popsmagic.com/store/p75/Pop_H......deo.html

Scott


It would be nice if you gave the length and width of the gimmick.
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Yes, Harold Rice made, one size Simplex. I never used one, as the "capacity" was a 12".

It's a bit like using a 6" or a 9" silk in a TT! YUK!!!
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Anyone can make a Palmo type gimmick in about an hour with the most modest of household tools.

BeThePlunk tipped the essence of the idea when he wrote:
Ever the experimenter, I created one of my own by taking two Palmos, carefully cutting them with a pipe cutter 2/3 of the way up the barrel, and then joining the two large pieces to create a Palmo with half again as much volume. This will handle a 24" silk and also do the Half-Dyed Silk routine with a single gimmick.

I've used a similar device of my own construction for years. But there is no need to use previously purchased Palmo gimmicks to do this... in fact, they don't need to be made of metal at all!

I used two plastic 2 oz. bottles (such as 5 hour energy drink) and removed the labels and necks (see the pic). Then I cut both both bottles about an inch or so down from the neck line (second pic) Naturally, a larger bottle segment will produce a larger gimmick and hold a larger set of silks. Make TWO of these halves... one from each bottle. It is a good thing to sand the holes smooth with 400 grit sandpaper.

Then I use a good grade of 3/4" plastic tape (Scotch brand is still the best I have found) and wrapped a ring of it on the INSIDE of one half of the two bottle segments.
Please note that the sticky side is facing OUTWARD!

Now the two segments are joined together and with a finger or implement the tape on the inside is smoothed down so that it adheres to both halves of the bottles.
If you have done this correctly, this joint will last for years. We use a good grade of tape for this so that the adhesive doesn't bleed over time onto the silk fabric used

The next step is to paint the gimmick if desired. Use a good grade of spray paint. Krylon makes a product that is called FUSION and has some special property that will BOND the paint to plastic surfaces... and guess what? It really does! Just follow the instructions on the spray can.

When the paint has cured or hardened, wrap another piece of CLEAR plastic tape around the midsection of the newly made gimmick. Again, it should be pressed smooth so the edges don't lift. Finally, make sure that the two openings are sanded smooth with some 400 grit sandcloth, if you haven't done this yet.

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OK, one more bit of advice for you hobbyists who want a great gimmick and have the time or desire to make one for yourself:

When I searched for 2 ounce bottles, I went to a makeup counter for cosmetics and found that often the plastic bottles are made of COLORED plastic that represents the color of the makeup in the bottle! This means that you can virtually select the color bottle that best represents your skin type! Being relatively pale, the picture here shows the gimmick that I actually use and made myself.

IT IS OVER TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD! So, for those who doubt that this gimmick works, that is the proof.
I had to replace the outer tape only once, about 15 years ago. If you look carefully, the inner plastic tape is white and the outer tape is clear.
It is about 25% larger than a RICE Palmo and holds a larger silk.

Because the plastic is made in flesh color, it will never flake paint, and also because it is plastic... will not make any metallic suspicious sounds if it accidentally taps against a finger ring such as a wedding band.

the only tools used to make this gimmick were a pair of scissors, sandpaper, and clear plastic tape. My investment was under $10 at the time. And if I need a new one... it takes about an hour to construct!
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JNeal, thank you very much for your information.
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On Apr 30, 2017, JNeal wrote:
OK, one more bit of advice for you hobbyists who want a great gimmick and have the time or desire to make one for yourself:

When I searched for 2 ounce bottles, I went to a makeup counter for cosmetics and found that often the plastic bottles are made of COLORED plastic that represents the color of the makeup in the bottle! This means that you can virtually select the color bottle that best represents your skin type! Being relatively pale, the picture here shows the gimmick that I actually use and made myself.

IT IS OVER TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD! So, for those who doubt that this gimmick works, that is the proof.
I had to replace the outer tape only once, about 15 years ago. If you look carefully, the inner plastic tape is white and the outer tape is clear.
It is about 25% larger than a RICE Palmo and holds a larger silk.

Because the plastic is made in flesh color, it will never flake paint, and also because it is plastic... will not make any metallic suspicious sounds if it accidentally taps against a finger ring such as a wedding band.

the only tools used to make this gimmick were a pair of scissors, sandpaper, and clear plastic tape. My investment was under $10 at the time. And if I need a new one... it takes about an hour to construct!
visit me @ JNealShow.com


Wonderful! Thanks for posting this!
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JNeal -- Just brilliant! Thank you for your ingenuity!
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