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Memory_Magician New user 9 Posts |
Hey all, I've been a long time magician and Memory Athlete and felt I would share this with the community. I currently hold the record for 4th best memory in the US, and have memorized a shuffled deck of cards in 34 seconds in competition. Here is a video clip of me doing it in 39 seconds. Feel free to ask any Q, I'd be happy to answer.
https://youtu.be/2RZcjS56d5E Livan |
adiabaticman Regular user Indiana 144 Posts |
Congratulations on your record! I was wondering how long it takes you to memorize half a deck. Is it half the time required for a full deck or does it scale non linearly. I ask because I am interested in being able to memorize at least half a deck quickly. A lot of cool tricks can be done even with a half mem deck.
Watching those electrons dance on the adiabat, from Franck-Condon to the Asymptote.
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Memory_Magician New user 9 Posts |
I would say yes half a deck would only take half the time
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BeThePlunk Special user West of Boston, East of Eden 887 Posts |
And you assemble the second deck in the reverse order that you memorized the first one. So apparently you capture the whole deck together, not in a front to back order. Can you assemble the second deck starting at any point? How long does the memory of one deck last?
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adiabaticman Regular user Indiana 144 Posts |
Thanks Memory_Magician. I have another question. I'm sure there are a lot of great resources to help train for memorizing a deck of cards in a short time. I am curious what you used or recommend.
Watching those electrons dance on the adiabat, from Franck-Condon to the Asymptote.
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Memory_Magician New user 9 Posts |
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On Apr 12, 2017, BeThePlunk wrote: I memorize the cards from the bottom of the deck (the face) to the top (the back). This is because it is naturally easier to thumb through them that way. When stacking the deck they will obviously be reversed since my #1 card is actually the last card (bottom of deck) I always then have to reverse the order before I check. I can remember the deck backwards and forwards and can start at any point, it just makes sense to start in order. The memory last for a day usually, I purposely want to forget it so I can start a new deck the next day but if I wanted to I could retain the memory of that deck for the rest of my life if I wanted to but it's pointless. |
Memory_Magician New user 9 Posts |
There are many resources some good, most bad lol. I would say "How to Develop a Brilliant Memory Week by Week: 52 Proven Ways to Enhance Your Memory Skills" By Dominic O'Brien as one of the top resources for starting out.
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avasatu New user 97 Posts |
Can you actually name a card at a given position and vice versa, or can you just list them in order? Do you use the celebrity/household item method, or some kind of mental palace? How does one go about practicing this and getting some good initial info?
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adiabaticman Regular user Indiana 144 Posts |
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On Apr 12, 2017, Memory_Magician wrote: Thanks! I'll check it out.
Watching those electrons dance on the adiabat, from Franck-Condon to the Asymptote.
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Memory_Magician New user 9 Posts |
Avasatu
Yes I use the Memory Palace method. I don't know the exact position of each card, and that is only because I don't need to for competitions. That means it's a very easy edit I would need to make to be able to tell at what position each card is at. It would require putting "landmarks" at different palace positions like one at every 5th Location so I know the 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th card etc. and then it's a simple thing to do a calculation. Hope that helps! I should also point out this is useful for multiple decks and I have memorized 5 shuffled decks in 10 minutes for competition as well, so the methods works. |
Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
The memory palace concept is 3000 years old!!! The methods I teach in about 17 books (starting in 1956) are MUCH, MUCH, better and easier. Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
shakuni Inner circle 1170 Posts |
IMHO, Memory palace is a great technique but not suitable if you want to do memdeck work. Use Mnemonics (which is what Mr. Lorayne refers I think).
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Memory_Magician New user 9 Posts |
Shakuni
I believe what you mean to say is that the Memory Palace method is not the optimal technique for someone who simply needs or wants to memorize a stack (like Mnemonica) in which case you are right. It's like buying a Ferrari to drive to the corner to buy milk only. The Memory Palace technique is meant for people who need to repeatably memorize random decks of cards or even dozens in a very short amount of time. |
adiabaticman Regular user Indiana 144 Posts |
I have memorized the Aronson stack using the peg word method described by Aronson.I am now interested in being able to memorize a random borrowed deck (at least half) quickly and then perform mem deck tricks. Can be very powerful. I've been meaning to check out Harry Lorayne's books for a while. Will do so soon.
Watching those electrons dance on the adiabat, from Franck-Condon to the Asymptote.
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
I loved Dominic O'Brien's books!
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
Anyone even remotely interested in this topic should read Joshua Foer's Moonwalking with Einstein.
Subtitled "The Art and Science of Remembering Everything", it's a mesmerizing account of his exploration of the astonishing world of "memory athletes".
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Marc O Special user The Netherlands 755 Posts |
Thank you Livan for posting that video, very impressive.
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Memory_Magician New user 9 Posts |
Thank you Marc O. Thanks for watching.
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hitlab New user Perth 19 Posts |
Impressive stuff
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
The venerable Bill Palmer points us to yet another resource that has not been mentioned yet imho:
"The David Roth Memory Course": Quote:
On Apr 3, 2006, Bill Palmer wrote: And Boris Konrad, multiple-time Memory World Champion, Grandmaster of Memory (GMM) and also a member here on TMC points us to a technique he's using: Quote:
On Apr 03, 2006, Memo wrote: He summarizes: Quote:
On Apr 20, 2006, Memo wrote: We don't know if he's solely driven by jealousy or just speaking from experience as World Champion when he states: Quote:
On Apr 03, 2006, Memo wrote: So to sum it up: there seems to be no 'best system' per se. Try a few approaches and see what you're most comfortable with!
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