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David Rhodes
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This is the main reason I switched to the Redford Stack.

In Temporarily Out of Order there is a solid 30 minute act FASDIU ending with one of the strongest effects with any memdeck.

You could do (or check out on YouTube)
30 card poker deal
Clocking to Redford
The first phase of OFM
Temporarily out of Order

He has also release a stack independent routine called thought master that is a hosted heisted variety to mem deck order.
Aaron E
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David,

What a small world. Talking with you on the Redford forum has been a game changer for me. As I told you, I have been doing card magic and mentalism for over 20 years. I am very new to mem deck work though. It is a new world for me. Honestly, I am sad I did not learn the value sooner... I got John Born's book "Meant to Be" probably 15 years ago because I was obsessed with the ACAAN plot. That was the only value I saw with a mem deck. I did not stick with it due to the work needed to keep it in my memory for just one trick. I was so wrong and uneducated.

For anyone who does card magic and is on the fence about learning a mem deck, do it! However, don't learn one just for a trick or two. Learn all the various ways it can be used. It is such an amazing utility device. It feels like I am using a gimmicked deck.

Also, your post above made me switch back to the Redford stack. I took a screen shot of it like 2 weeks ago as a reminder what to work on and what is possible with the stack.

Aaron
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Redford also has a couple of effects aside from Thought master that enables you to do this. Check out the effects in Temporarily out of order. He has a version of A Subtle Game (from Encyclopedia of card tricks) which he calls A Subtler Game.
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I am getting to the party a little late, but here is a video of a well know magician who gets into a stack at the beginning of his performance. It's not a 100% clear, but it looks like he was starting with a deck in new order. It took about a minute and a half.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDI08chjo7k&t=45s
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On Oct 8, 2025, Micha-el wrote:
I am getting to the party a little late, but here is a video of a well know magician who gets into a stack at the beginning of his performance. It's not a 100% clear, but it looks like he was starting with a deck in new order. It took about a minute and a half.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDI08chjo7k&t=45s


All explained by Juan Tamariz in his book Mnemonica.
Blaine is just "following the instructions" Smile

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Slot machine Bandit cell phone program to stack a shuffled deck

Here's my thoughts on an entertaining way to fairly quickly stack a shuffled deck.

This may be similar to other ideas in the literature, so I apologize if this is the case, but if not, here goes:

The perception from three audience members (that are used in this game) is that they are playing a game to see who would be lucky enough to get the most points from a slot machine that's running on the magician's cell phone.

The magician looks through the shuffled deck and removes the card that is the last one in his secret mem deck and sets it aside saying "we need an exact number of 17 cards in each pile. So we'll just add this one back at the last".

17 cards are given to each spectator to fan and look at. At the same time the special poker machine image on the cell phone rotates its wheels and comes up with three playing cards across the screen. The first playing card on the screen will always have a thick red border, the second playing card on the screen will always have a thick white border, the third playing card on the screen will always have a thick blue border.

On the magician's actual table going across there is a stack of 17 red poker chips followed by a stack of 17 white poker chips followed by a stack of 17 blue poker chips. These are real physical poker chips.

The magician explains to the three spectators that if they see their card on the screen they are to place it face up in a discard pile directly behind the appropriate color poker chip stack and to take one of those chips for themselves.

Note that for this game the red chips are worth 10 points, the white chips are worth 20 points, and the blue chips are worth 30 points.

The slot machine is run 17 times and three cards will be deposited onto the appropriate discard piles (sometimes more than one card from the same spectator and none from another spectator).

It is explained to the spectators that if they have more than one hit on the same slot machine display that they are to place the cards onto the discard pile in the order they see them on the screen.

Of course secretly this One-Armed Bandit slot machine program (which I will call "Bandit") has been pre-loaded with the mem deck card order that the magician wants.

Stack positions that the Bandit will display:

On the first display show cards for positions:
Red: 1st, White: 18th, Blue: 35th

On the second display show cards for positions:
Red: 2nd, White: 19th, Blue: 36th

On the third display show cards for positions:
Red: 3rd, White: 20th, Blue: 37th

And so on.

The spectators will think that the Bandit program is just showing random playing cards, but of course we know different.

At the end of the game, the magician could have some minor reward to give the winner, maybe a dollar bill or maybe a printed playing card certificate that says "Luckiest Magician Assistant in the World!" or something like that. You could also have some kind of optical illusion with the magician's name and phone number and email address etc.

So now all the magician has to do is take the one card that he removed at the beginning and place it face up on the blue stack, take the whole Blue stack. Put it on the white stack, then take all of that stuff and put on top of the red stack and now the stack is complete and ready to go.

The fact that three spectators are involved hopefully would make the process move faster.

Some computer programmer would have to write the Bandit program to run on Android and Apple cell phones, but I don't have time to do it.

I think there may be a way to fudge this Bandit program using grok. Maybe just have 17 little grok videos each with a different run?

The biggest downside to this approach is having to carry 51 poker chips. I wish there were a way to make this game work without the poker chips!
Maybe a fourth spectator (a score keeper) with a notepad that has a little grid that has three columns named:

"Red", "White", and "Blue"

And three rows lettered:
A

B

C

Note that A is for the first spectator, B is for the second spectator, C is for the third spectator.

The scorekeeper could just put a little straight vertical line on the appropriate row in the appropriate column for each hit. After 4 vertical lines together the fifth hit would be a diagonal line (this is the typical way to do it).
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Below is my attempt to get grok to do a slot machine display of the first card of the three piles for the Tamariz mnemonica stack (positions 1, position 18, position 35) which is 4C, KC, KH.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wnsV370......drivesdk

The above link is to an mp4 in my G drive so I'm not sure this will work.

This kind of worked but the 4C is wonky. Grok (and Gemini) is terrible at creating playing card images.

The good thing about using the slot machine with rotating images is that it really conveys the idea of a randomness in the spectator's minds.
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Oops!

The below statement was not necessary:

"It is explained to the spectators that if they have more than one hit on the same slot machine display that they are to place the cards onto the discard pile in the order they see them on the screen."

Somehow I was thinking that on one display that one of the spectators could have two cards on the same stack, but that will never happen.
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