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Warning to any Illusionist that performs

Things that goes bump in the night

I saw the last part of female magician that did an very good updated version of this on last nights BGT

Expect that rag of a newspaper to expose that next
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My fear is that when Issy performs in the next round - to which it will be aired as currently she's the nations sweet heart which makes great ratings and viewings etc, who ever Mr Annonomous is will do a follow up and expose her 2nd act as well. He's obviously got it in for not her - but Russ and as payback for what ever (especially when the press chase him with an offer for the exposure again) will be reading a 2nd article shortly of the next instalment on his rant and exposure.
Must be so difficult for Russ and Issy in how to deal and take this now forward.
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She should pull out of the competition now I think
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On Apr 30, 2017, Karl M wrote:
She should pull out of the competition now I think


that's a bit extreme...

I think you guys are taking this waaaayyy too far....every person that I have met who have seen her has just praised her! Hardly anyone reads these tyoes of articles!

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Let's not confuse the issue with 'us' having a problem with her and I don't think anyone can deny she did an amazing performance and don't think there is anyone on here that hasn't got praise for her. But the topic is about how we feel about the exposure and my comment is about imagining how Russ and Issy must feel right now knowing that a high percentage of people are now aware of what really went on in her act. How awful must that be in no matter wheter it's the whole audience when she performs next or whether it be one person in the audience that knows the truth - they will especially Issy feel conscious if it.
It's a difficult one to go through and for wrong entertainment purposes, which who's to say that when she performs next time one of the judges makes reference to the article on air?!?! Because that could happen - hopefully it doesn't BUT in the past they have made reference to press articles on the show etc etc.
Either way how they move forward from ordeal, this is going to be difficult in knowing how to play it best.
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She should pull out of the competition now I think


That's a great life lesson for an 8-year-old. Stop sharing something you love because one AH who apparently is jealous of the little girl is attacking her. At 8, she had more stage presence than most, and presented her self very well.

I think she should do a torn and restored with the Mirror and turn public sentiment against them. The cute little girl doing what she loves against the big nasty paper attacking her.
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The pressure is to much for 8 year old girl and the news papers will build up more pressure plus exposure of tricks are bad for all of us so quit while shes ahed,thats my advice and I have been studying the business side of things so know a bit about it all
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I hate exposure, but the linking rings and TT have been exposed for years but both have withstood the assault.

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"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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I hate exposure, but the linking rings and TT have been exposed for years but both have withstood the assault.

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Withstood the assault in what way? ?This is an example on a genuine situation I unfortunately witnessed 3 weeks ago. Myself and a colleague were entertaining at an event doing walk around. As I came towards the centre of the room entertaining from my end, I seen him performing to a group of people. As I watched him about 8 feet away in the back ground, I seen him perform a bill switch using a TT. After the bill got changed a guest then said (and one of those cocky ones we all know) "i know how you did that - you have a plastic T.... I know as it was on TV a couple of months ago."

I was cringing for him and he quickly went on to something else. The point is people do remember exposure and what they read and see - may not be everyone but a high percentage imo opinion.
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The pressure is to much for 8 year old girl and the news papers will build up more pressure plus exposure of tricks are bad for all of us so quit while shes ahed,thats my advice and I have been studying the business side of things so know a bit about it all


Karl,did you used to be Jamie Ferguson?
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I agree that exposure of things like the TT and DL have affected the magic community aswell! I was performing for a stranger and I did the effect where a card changes into theirs in their hand and they immediately exclaimed "that was a d.... L...". It was quite embarassing....then I performed envylope and he was blown away!

HOWEVER, in this situation with Issy and this news website, the impact is soooooo miniscule, it is almost negligible IMO. Its like adding one drop of oil to the ocean and then saying that this will cause mass pollution, which it wont!

Just what I think.


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Lol

He's going to say... "who's that mate?"
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I doubt this "exposure" will hurt her. Publications have written speculations and "exposures" of magicians before. Derren Brown's Russian Roulette stunt and his Lottery Prediction come to mind; and people are still talking about Jamie Raven despite the bill in lemon incident (in fact, I rarely hear "lemons" being used in the same sentence whenever he's mentioned).
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I doubt this "exposure" will hurt her. Publications have written speculations and "exposures" of magicians before. Derren Brown's Russian Roulette stunt and his Lottery Prediction come to mind; and people are still talking about Jamie Raven despite the bill in lemon incident (in fact, I rarely hear "lemons" being used in the same sentence whenever he's mentioned).


Exactly my point!

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On Apr 30, 2017, Steven Conner wrote:
I hate exposure, but the linking rings and TT have been exposed for years but both have withstood the assault.

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Withstood the assault in what way? ?This is an example on a genuine situation I unfortunately witnessed 3 weeks ago. Myself and a colleague were entertaining at an event doing walk around. As I came towards the centre of the room entertaining from my end, I seen him performing to a group of people. As I watched him about 8 feet away in the back ground, I seen him perform a bill switch using a TT. After the bill got changed a guest then said (and one of those cocky ones we all know) "i know how you did that - you have a plastic T.... I know as it was on TV a couple of months ago."

I was cringing for him and he quickly went on to something else. The point is people do remember exposure and what they read and see - may not be everyone but a high percentage imo opinion.


One of the real basics of magic is having more than one way to do an effect. You will always have hecklers and must learn to deal with them accordingly. I remember performing the rings one time and afterwards had a gentlemen say he had bought a set for his son, but it had a break in one of the rings. I told him it must have been one of those TV sets. For the last few years, I haven't been using a g****ck. My point Prince is I use a TT all the time without a problem, and a ton of people know they exist. Whenever challenged, be prepared to perform something similiar if necessary with a different method. As magicians we know exposure exists and shouldn't be caught unprepared. As with the little girl, its very unfortunate. Don't put a child in an adult world.

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I know what your saying and your right. As with everything any of us perform there is always that danger that someone could potentially know the secret as exposed on YouTube, masked magician etc. You can't really prepare for it either in a sense. Neither can you change the way you perform something, if you get called out after you have performed it - like the example above. My fellow magician performed the bill switch and only then did he get called out after he had finished, so he couldn't change the handling, routine etc as he had finished performing it - then that spectator announced the secret. If he mentioned something midway, or at the start the magi could have thought on his feet and maybe salvaged the situation. So it's ok saying we have be prepaired to adapt to situations like this - but you can't adapt or change anything if you have finished performing a trick, then they expose out loud.

Let's just hope Issy comes fighting back and hasn't knocked her confidence that much.
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I went ahead and googled: "magician bgt", and the bulk of page 1 was exposure of magic acts.

A couple years ago, when I was still performing at college-proximity gigs, I'd get a wide variety of hecklers: frat guys who wanted the girls to look at them and not the magician who was hired for the event, or the easily-offended SJW's, or the know-it-all's who had to make sure everyone knew their IQ was through the roof, angry drunks, etc., etc. This forced me to start re-thinking how stuff is presented and how else moves can be used. I would frequently get people who had seen scam school and knew what an ID is, or what a h***u !@#$* looks like, and how to spot a DL. As a result, I needed all the moves I used to be bulletproof, and started adding a bit of a "mental" flair to the card magic.

What I'm getting at is: Many of these acts which get exposed are the ones done with conventional or commercial methods - like that blackboard: it looks identical to how it looked at purchase. With a bit of dressing-up and method-disproving feature at the beginning, it could work the same, but it wouldn't be recognizable to someone who's trying to figure the method.

Since we know it was a magician (and frequently is in previous exposures) who explained it to the journalist, then maybe performers on these talent shows should start using lesser-known methods, or putting outside-the-box spins on existing ones, thus making it more difficult for these &^$%#@'s to correctly expose the method.

Also, I really enjoyed her performance. Not blaming her for someone else's decision to expose the act. But in future cases, I think it would be good to embed a "magician fooling" aspect, to throw off anyone who wants to get paid for exposure.
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I just saw this it is an importent message from Issy ...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1oKXnGXUehA
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I just saw this it is an importent message from Issy ...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1oKXnGXUehA


That is rather wonderful

Probably the best response possible - the newspaper should feel bad about that

I keep meaning to post - when a paper cites an anonymous source – much of the time there is no source

It’s a secret news speak for ‘we did a bit or research’, or ‘we are pretty sure this is true’

Like when a paper says ‘a friend’ of some celebrity said ‘x’ – it’s never a friend, it’s always the celebrity themselves. For example, ‘a friend of Victoria Beckham says she loves her new hairdo’

Anyway back to the anonymous source – I doubt you will find ‘him/her’ – as most likely it’s the journalist who wrote the story or a junior person at the paper. All they will have done is googled for the info, or emailed Lynx [pretending to want to buy one, asking how it works], etc. But rather than say… ‘we googled/asked’ it gets ‘sexed up’ – or turned into new[spaper]speak as ‘a top secret source told us’

Anyway – lovely video from the act

It won’t shame the paper, as they won’t report on the video… I wonder if they will listen to it?
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Like when a paper says ‘a friend’ of some celebrity said ‘x’ – it’s never a friend, it’s always the celebrity themselves. For example, ‘a friend of Victoria Beckham says she loves her new hairdo’


This is obvious in your quote above as who else would say it ? I mean have you seen her hair do 😄

With regards to there being no real leaker of information , you also state they only have to google lynx pretending to buy one ? How the hell would they know it's made by lynx magic and it's electronic etc etc someone must give people this info one way or another .

I do agree it was a lovely performance by Issy though and a lovely video of her asking for people not expose the wonderful routine and the others she will surely do in the future . Best wishes Tarik 😊
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