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nervebreaker New user 53 Posts |
OK, I'll step in to the Abyss. I know most magicians feeling psychics and mediums are frauds and do Cold Reading tricks or other methods to make the client feel like they were getting good information. Let me describe one session my wife had who is a psychic Medium.
She had an appointment for 2 pm and a couple hours before hand, she noticed a male spirit sitting casually on our coach and she asked if he was there because she was going to be doing a reading. He said he was and my wife told him, it won't be for a couple of hours and I need to get ready. Spirit said, "Fine, I just want to make sure I'm first" Client showed up and my wife asked if she had a father figure in the spirit world and client said "no". My wife said well there is this male spirit that insists he is your father. Client said that she didn't know where her birth father was but thought he was alive. The spirit said, "tell her I whisper in her ear around 3 am and tell her how much I love her" My wife told the client this and the client exclaimed rather forcefully "who told you that?, I've only told a couple of people that" Anyway the point is that my wife asks very few questions, and has long dialogues with the spirits and gets good information, I know she doesn't do any research in fact she asks that they don't tell her anything because she doesn't want to taint the messages coming through by any earthly knowledge they may share. Anyway , I obviously believe this is the real deal and I can't even imagine how someone could do what my wife does if they were trying to fake it. I'm an electrical engineer and it took me a long time to fully accept these things are possible but after seeing it over and over and over again, it is also hard to not believe. So keep your minds open - you may get a surprise yourself someday! End of soapbox |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
Be prepared for the onslaught of debunkers and skeptics.
Personally, I've met people like your wife who I am convinced are the real deal. Heck, feel free to ask your wife if there's anyone in the spirit world who has a message for me. Totally optional. I completely understand if she doesn't want to, or the spirits aren't communicating. :-)
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
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On Apr 29, 2017, nervebreaker wrote: Electrical Engineer and your wife is a medium? Your name isn't Joe and hers Allison, are they? I'm asking because you just described the plot of the TV show Medium, Joe the electrical engineer married to Allison the medium. So I hope you are not here yanking our chains, I'm leery of new user accounts that appear and post what could be controversial posts, especially on their FIRST post here. |
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nervebreaker New user 53 Posts |
Thanks Philemon - my first thought was to ask them to lock the thread because I found the one magician that may feel there is something and it's going to be all downhill from here ! LOL
Tony: I'm Bob and she is Vicki and I am aware of that show but haven't watched it. Also I do have one of her books but I haven't read it yet. Georgia Tech 1975 Bach of Elec Eng. Well I did play in a band that opened for the Sex Pistols, Ramones, Clash among others so a little chaos could be expected - but the story is true. Lots of client session tapes were made. She's more involved in politics at moment but the spirits do pop in from time to time regardless. |
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Raum Loyal user 227 Posts |
I find skeptics as boring as esoteric.Both types are too serious.
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
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On Apr 29, 2017, nervebreaker wrote: Thank goodness. I've met Allison, not a particularly nice person, and not very good as a medium, at least when I was present. Some of us are very open and supportive. Many of my friends are mediums, I joined the Spiritualist Church almost 2 decades ago, and am a psychic entertainer myself. There are some here who are not very open minded though. Welcome, Bob. |
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nervebreaker New user 53 Posts |
Thanks Tony
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I've always wanted someone to ask a spirit to describe god and what summer land looks like...as well as for a spirit to describe how they see those that are alive...
I've asked to be banned
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Eugene Chekhov Elite user ~Magic~ 453 Posts |
I would like to contact Harry Houdini and ask him what he thinks of the Mediums. And does he regret that he revealed - their methods and tricks?
I love the magic & history of magic! My favorites magicians - Dai Vernon, Max Malini, Fielding West, Michael Finney, Jeff Hobson, Bob Sheets, Nick Lewin, Harry Murphy, Dick Oslund- great showmen of magic!
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Eugene Chekhov Elite user ~Magic~ 453 Posts |
And to whom he is ready today to give his 50,000 thousand dollars, which he did not manage to give during his lifetime - a real medium.
I love the magic & history of magic! My favorites magicians - Dai Vernon, Max Malini, Fielding West, Michael Finney, Jeff Hobson, Bob Sheets, Nick Lewin, Harry Murphy, Dick Oslund- great showmen of magic!
* Eugene_Chekhov@yahoo.com |
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Stunninger Inner circle 2819 Posts |
After decades of studying the methods of magic, mentalism and fake psychics, I am still open to the possibility psychic and medium abilities may exist. I've not personally ever experienced a psychic who impressed me as being the real deal, but I still think it's possible such abilities may exist.
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nervebreaker New user 53 Posts |
IAIN: So the spirit world doesn't like the term God - it's too limiting and specific - They refer to Creator and Creator is in every living thing as well as everything in the physical world and for that matter the non - physical world ( I ask a lot of questions to the spirit world when I have a good one to ask).
Summer Land? What is that? I've never asked how spirits see us but I imagine it's the same as we do but now I'm going to have to ask? Wondering about aura etc. I did ask if they could see my whole life history past and present since they have no "time" dimension. The answer was they see all the possible future life paths - simultaneously! So that may be part of your answer. All spirits don't have all the knowledge, especially the earth born ones, but they will tell you if they don't know. On the Houdini question, I don't think he would have any regrets because the people he would be exposing , with some exceptions, are probably just like he expected. People victimizing other people via fraud. If they weren't using those techniques, there would be nothing to expose. Speaking for my wife, she's only interested in bringing peace to the clients by telling them what messages spirit has for them. She always asks for messages for their best interest to hear and this time in their life, and that has worked out well. Anyway she is not interested in proving anything and would see nothing worthwhile in that kind of effort. The only time she wasn't able to connect was with a lady who was looking for someone to perform exorcisms and rituals - which Vicki is definitely not interested in. I think this was a case where Vicki's spirit guides made sure she failed just to avoid the client become attached to Vicki and wanted her to be available to her. Because they have told her they won't let her down and I think they didn't let her down here. They just protected her. She can't call up Houdini per se - all she can do is put out the thoughts of who her client is interested in hearing from, the spirits will decide if they want to be there or not. She doesn't have override power lol. Anyway - if there are generally questions, I'll start compiling them and next time they ask me through Vicki if I have any questions, I can bring them up. I've already got my questions on the Bible, multiple religions and purpose of life answered so I'm ready for some others I haven't thought of that could be intriguing! |
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Alan Wheeler Inner circle Posting since 2002 with 2038 Posts |
I feel like the percentage of real/unreal would have to be very low, whether spiritual or psychological phenomena. Probably less than 1% of all the hype.
What was you answer on multiple religions, Nervebreaker? I'm very interested.
The views and comments expressed on this post may be mere speculation and are not necessarily the opinions, values, or beliefs of Alan Wheeler.
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Alwow Special user Los Angeles 544 Posts |
Nerve breaker - Where you from / at? I may want to make an appointment.
"Everything I show you is the truth... And the truth is the loveliest of lies"
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On Apr 29, 2017, Eugene Chekhov wrote: Houdini's spirit returned in 1929 and answered that question. It was in thousands of newspapers ... learn more tomorrow ,, https://www.facebook.com/ShadowNationSho......&theater
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Tim Snyder Regular user Chicago, IL 112 Posts |
Bob, I'm not sure what you are hoping to get out of this conversation. It is like you went to a Forum for district attorneys and public prosecutors and asked them "how many innocent people have you put in prison?". They see so much evil that it is hard to believe that they are convicting an innocent person. Magicians see so many individual's perception and senses misled that it is hard for them to believe what your asking them to.
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On Apr 29, 2017, nervebreaker wrote: Not all psychics and mediums are frauds. Some are true believers and only use their gift for good. This doesn't mean that their "gift" is genuine. This is the other reason why it is difficult to have an honest conversation on the matter. I am a skeptic; but I would love to know if the "spiritual world" exists. So I ask if there is any way that you can prove it. You have responded that your wife is not interested in proving anything, only helping people. I wish there was a genuine medium who cared enough about the people of the world to take the time and effort to prove to the scientific community that the spirit world existed. Wouldn't that be a gracious blessing to all? There are believers and non-believers. Unless the belief is harmful (in your case it doesn't seem to be) I don't see the point of trying to prove that you and your wife are mistaken. My personal view is that some people are just more perceptive than others. Modern people don't use their instincts the way our ancestors did. All of our senses can be used to perceive a situation. This can seem magical when our instincts prove correct. Live long and prosper, Tim |
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Eugene Chekhov Elite user ~Magic~ 453 Posts |
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On Apr 29, 2017, Slim King wrote: A code used between Houdini and Bess was published in 1928 Houdini His Life Story by Harold Kellock I think that many suspected the sentimentality of Bess and Harry.
I love the magic & history of magic! My favorites magicians - Dai Vernon, Max Malini, Fielding West, Michael Finney, Jeff Hobson, Bob Sheets, Nick Lewin, Harry Murphy, Dick Oslund- great showmen of magic!
* Eugene_Chekhov@yahoo.com |
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Eugene Chekhov Elite user ~Magic~ 453 Posts |
1. I want to know if your wife receives money, for sessions and help? Eo important question!
2.You say that you will not associate this with religion. I am an Orthodox Theologian, who is engaged in this whole life in his conscious. I do not dispute the world of otherworldly spirits, this is stupid, all the scriptures speak of their presence. But there are 2 ways to enter this world - Either through Christ, or through Beelzebub. The man who says this about Christ and about the ecumenism of religions is clearly NOT a CHRISTIAN. I personally met with people - who can, see not much of the future. They admitted that they felt something in themselves. What Christianity calls Demons. And yet - I advise you to stop mystical practices - this leads to the disruption of the mind and consciousness. Think about your wife and her future! Thank you for your attention to my words, this topic is no longer interesting to me! P.S John C,countrymaven,Tim Snyder - Excellent guys!
I love the magic & history of magic! My favorites magicians - Dai Vernon, Max Malini, Fielding West, Michael Finney, Jeff Hobson, Bob Sheets, Nick Lewin, Harry Murphy, Dick Oslund- great showmen of magic!
* Eugene_Chekhov@yahoo.com |
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Eugene Chekhov Elite user ~Magic~ 453 Posts |
The Great Buck Howard -
This film with great subtext! Good luck in viewing!
I love the magic & history of magic! My favorites magicians - Dai Vernon, Max Malini, Fielding West, Michael Finney, Jeff Hobson, Bob Sheets, Nick Lewin, Harry Murphy, Dick Oslund- great showmen of magic!
* Eugene_Chekhov@yahoo.com |
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nervebreaker New user 53 Posts |
What did I want to get out of this. Good question, I don't know. I was reading through forum before I got a login and read this post about someone who "blocked" cold reading attempt by a psychic medium and declared that they had proved they were all fakes still. It just struck a cord. I think one of the things I am driven to do in this life is to put some of this information out there as I have a somewhat thicker skin than most and can take some abuse and lots of ridicule without taking it personally.
When I do this one on one with people, I find it interesting that almost all of them have done experience that happened to them or their family and they were either told not to ever tell anyone or they just felt they shouldn't because society would consider them crazy and spurn them. "Proof" is an interesting topic in itself. I have heard specific information provided over and over. Listening and being around my wife is fascinating because she not doing the dialogue with client, the dialogue is primarily with spirit world where she is trying to make sure she is understanding what the spirit world is trying to convey. A number of occasions she was told to convey an expression to the client that is puzzling to Vicki and she has learned to not try and interpret but just repeat it. Most of the time the client goes "oh I know exactly what it means" and vicki says "good, because I sure don't but that doesn't matter" She will often tell the client to wait because she is getting so much information so fast she wants to make sure it's accurate representation. Anyway, I see this dialogue over and over again with clients. And for me when she has done a reading for me. It feels true to me, I know she has no gimmicks or does any research because I see her do spontaneous readings because a message is coming in while she is with someone. I have my proof in that and I don't know if any tests would convince me differently. Let's for a second suppose some psychic medium passed the Amazing Randi challenge whatever it is. I think it would turn their lives upside down from people wanting readings to death threats and everything in between. So lets suppose you were a spirit guide for this medium and you were trying to keep them on their pre-selected life path. Wouldn't you want to derail the test so the medium could continue their path without this unwanted turmoil. I suspect that may also be a factor in any case with someone who may have the gift but the spirits felt it was not helpful to the medium to actually "pass" the test. Anyway,back to bed. Night all! |
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