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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts 
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My punch is the best ever. https://www.toolsntoolsuk.co.uk/product/......ic-tool/
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2017, rowdymagi5 wrote: Riser makes it clear that he makes his punches for magicians, not card cheats. Nothing wrong with that. (the fact that a card cheat wouldn't ever use that type of punch anyway isn't really relevant to the topic of who Riser will, or won't sell to) In general, if you can't offer Riser a reasonable explanation as to what you're going to use his punch for, he won't sell you one. Because he sells out of everything he makes almost as quickly as he makes it, he doesn't care if some folks don't like his style when it comes to selling his products. I've got all the punches he's ever made, and didn't do anything special beyond have a few honest conversations with him about the history of card punches, and the different ways they can be used. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2017, tommy wrote: Nice find. This tool looks like it can punch all 52 cards with one squeeze. Bet these other punch tools can't do that. Plus, if that is not enough, one can also engage in some serious dentistry with this device. No other punch tool, regardless of price, reputation or glamour, can possibly match the utility of this tool. |
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rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3740 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2017, Artie Fufkin wrote: Interesting....I never actually had a conversation with him....because he didn't answer any of the dozens of emails I sent him. Nor did he answer any of the correspondence from my two friends. Not exactly easy to get a hold of...hence my comment....how can you compare two commercially made items when one is not really commercially available? |
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rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3740 Posts
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And to follow up, we were very specific in our many unanswered emails that we wanted to use it for magic presentations only and we even specified how.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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The thumb wheels underside has indents as well as the holes.
The enterprising magician will have no difficulty in stealing it. 
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jun 20, 2017, Artie Fufkin wrote: Quote:
On Jun 20, 2017, rowdymagi5 wrote: I don't know Riser, nor do I have any reason to know or deal with him no matter how supposedly "top shelf" and Avant-garde his punches or other products are. I certainly don't what to make any negative comments about someone that I don't know, but will simply make an observation based upon what I have read so far. He evidently does good work and produces exceptional products but what he produces is really designed for the magician/hobbyist set, not for hustlers. He also appears to be somewhat of an eccentric or perhaps simply has a "Prima Donna" personality. Based upon apparently having to "jump through hoops" to get one of his products, I would never do business with someone like this. However, I have an advantage as I have absolutely no need or desire to own anything he sells. Possessing one or more of his products is apparently an "ego trip" for some in the hobbyist-connoisseur set giving one pride of ownership and perhaps boasting rights that one has the "latest and best." However, having the latest and best is somewhat suggestive depending upon the need or purpose one has for the product. All punch contraptions that I have seen have merit depending upon the need of the magician-hobbyist. So, if you want to figuratively genuflect to get one of Riser's products or perhaps kiss his posterior to do so, well...go for it. Personally, I have better things to do. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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I don't think so. I mean, I think it is rather more to do with the law. There are restrictions on selling cheating devices in the USA I think.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts
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On Jun 21, 2017, Cagliostro wrote: Then go do them Cag! Backhanded insults don't look at all good on you, despite your apparent need to endlessly share them
You're better than that Cag ... I've seen it. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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Not an insult but rather an observation. My insults are much more complete and definitive.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts
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On Jun 21, 2017, Cagliostro wrote: Indeed, your direct insults are easy to spot and don't require parsing ... which is why I credited you with the prefix "backhanded", implying a subtly deceptive element to your comments 
Anyway, peace. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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Yes, I understood the context but must be losing my touch if I am now accused of being subtle.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 22683 Posts
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This thread became strangely odd even for this place.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jun 21, 2017, tommy wrote: Yes there are laws against selling cheating devices and that is no doubt his primary motivation on making sure he only sells to magicians, at least as well as he can determine. That may prompt him to be overly cautious in purveying his products rather than my tongue in cheek observation that he is an eccentric or Primal Donna. After all, he does not know who he is dealing with, especially over the telephone. Back in the day, KC Card Company and the other gambling supply companies that advertised in The National Police Gazette and other publication stressed that their equipment was being sold for magical or entertainment purposes only. That really did not hold up as eventually the Feds closed them all down. Riser's best defense would be he only deals with people who post on this BB and we know that no cheat would post here.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jun 21, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: Ahhh...and therein lies its great charm. 
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1532 Posts
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One more page closer to ten...
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 15717 Posts
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The National Police Gazette was cool. It is hard to find any interesting stories of that kind today. All we get now is politics and show business gossip and the only crime we hear about now is to do with religious fanatics and so on. Whatever happened to the good old-fashioned hustler? Well, I will tell you what happened to the good old-fashioned hustlers, they are all on drugs or selling them or both. That’s what happened to the good old-fashioned hustlers. The prisons are now hospitals for junkies. They are now probably buying Risers punches to inject themselves with.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2017, tommy wrote: Do you think Riser would sell one of his punches if the potential buyer stated that was the purpose of buying same? Doubtful. I think the buyer woudl have to conceal his true intent and state he was buying it to perform card tricks. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 22683 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2017, Cagliostro wrote: True.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1532 Posts
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On Jun 22, 2017, tommy wrote: Well, go here to get your Gazette fix - ya con junkie: http://fultonhistory.com/my%20photo%20al......dex.html |
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