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Can anyone help me find the fluid used for Kaps and for Hot Leads? I looked for one at Walmart and wasn't able to find it.
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Go to a gas station and look for a yellow bottle that's called Ronsonol.
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What's the difference between Ronsonol brand and any other brand of
cigarette-lighter fluid? I thought it was pretty much all the same. Naptha base-
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They are not the same, naphta of course is naphta, but not all fluidbrands contain naphta.
The advantage of naphta is that it doesn't evaporate that fast as the 'pure' gasolin normally used in lighters, meaning one can prepare longer in advance and still get a safe ignition.
The contra of naphta is that it is a bit harder to ignite, but normally a good firestone doesn't have any problem.
I did some tests once, can't exactly recall the result in hours, but I recall naphta was still present 4 hours or more, when all the other fluids have evaporated.
It was a diff. approx., between 8 hours for normal fluid and over 12 hours for naphta.
The naphta I use(d) was Ronsonol.
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Werner- I didn't know that.
So, do you think that Ronsonol would be a better choice to use in a
Fire-Wallet due to the fact that it would last longer before using it?
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We don't use gasoline of any kind in cigarette lighters in the US. Ronsonol, Zippo and the other brands of lighter fluid are all what we call naphtha in this country.

One of the problems with common names for chemicals is that the meanings change when they cross the pond. For example, over here "paraffin" is a kind of wax. In England, it is similar to lighter fluid.
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On 2005-03-08 23:31, blsorg wrote:
Werner- I didn't know that.
So, do you think that Ronsonol would be a better choice to use in a
Fire-Wallet due to the fact that it would last longer before using it?
Thanks.
In a firewallet I would use it.

Burning on my forefinger via the Proust gimmick or a firepurse I wouldn't..
So the fluid depends on the use..on ones finger the slightly oily and long lasting/not that easily evaporating naphta would burn the finger, whilst easily evaporating fluid doesn't..that's the thing they call *cold-fire* and it is great for use with the Proust gimmick or with the flame-purse, where one also is inserting ones finger to 'catch' a flame on it.
Used on the firewallet it is also great, large flame, easily to ignite, BUT not that long lasting preparation..it again depends if you prepare 15 min. before it's use, then it would be the best solution, if you prepare 3 hours before leaving home, it might not work anymore on location.

Thing also is, what I forgot to mention that naphta gives a slighly lower flame than pure gasoline.
I actually think a mixture of pure gasoline and naphta should be the solution.

When mentioning pure gasoline, I don't think that much of a lighterfluid of any brand, but here in Europe we can buy chemical clean gasolin, which here is called *benzin/bensin*, so my choose of words might also have been incorrect, I think *benzin* is translated with petrol in the States?

Anyway, dugstores normally do sell chemically clean *benzin*/petrol normally used to remove dirt/stains from clothings by rubbing it with a white cloth until it's evaporated..that kind of *petrol* I ment.

I am myself looking into a long lasting fluid, that gives a large flame, is easy to ignite and also I haven't yet experimented re the mentioned mixture, I think it might be the best solution.

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On 2005-03-09 01:00, Bill Palmer wrote:
For example, over here "paraffin" is a kind of wax. In England, it is similar to lighter fluid.

Oh my...now that surely does add to the confusing..a very good example!
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Paraffin is still a wax in England!
anyway,which brand is good for long lasting,i wish my dead en fuego won't happen again(no flame).
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On 2005-03-10 07:34, MagoStevo wrote:
anyway,which brand is good for long lasting,

Don't you read the postings here?
I'll spell it out for you Smile

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Thanks,i doubted I can find this brand in UK though.Any though,Briton??
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I have to apologize for all I wrote re the fluid to use! Smile
Made a mistake...

I did write out of memory, just glanzing at all the cannisters I have on a shelf for various purposes, but the one I meant, was a shelf higher up Smile

I meant Z I P P O Lighter Fluid each and every time I wrote Ronsonol..

Zippo is pure naphtha and very long lasting.

It comes in black cannisters and I'm sure it also is to be found in the UK..

Read the printing on the cannister which says *Petroleum destillate-Naphtha*.

Still, one can experiment with a mixture of pure/clean *benzin* from a drugstore, the stuff that is used for cleaning stains on ones clothing..

I have compared Ronsonol with Zippo, and Zippo does last longer!
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Thanks for the correction!now it all makes sense,ZIPPO is the one last longer!

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Does anyone have evidence that Zippo's lighter fluid is any different from Ronsonol's ?

My yellow bottle of Ronsonol simply says, "contains naptha", and doesn't list anything else. Anyone actually done a comparison study of the two ?
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