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IAIN Eternal Order england 18802 Posts 
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Sounds like ac*d*s pl*s to me...
I've asked to be banned
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1624 Posts
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Iain, not at all close to Acidus. As I previously noted, the spectator can write ANYWHERE on the business card
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Max Hazy.jpg "View Profile") Special user 543 Posts
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On May 25, 2017, Jared wrote: Sounds exactly like Bullet Peek from Peter Turner book. Same actions, same criteria, same conditions. Maybe he updated the handling and gave it a new name, or just changed the name for marketing purposes... I hope that's not the case. Quote:
On May 25, 2017, JackMagic wrote: That's exactly what I'm asking myself.
"Your method is in my opinion the very best way to do Q&A"
Millard Longman "Max has pushed some less known and seldom used principles a huge step forward" Jan Forster Arcane Grimoires Vol 1- http://www.maxhazy.com/arcane-grimoires/apocryphal-reach/ Arcane Grimoires Vol 2- http://www.maxhazy.com/Codex-Mentis/ |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3300 Posts
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This really does seem within striking distance of Bullet
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SimonTheSorcerer Loyal user 290 Posts
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First time I bought something from Sansmind. Due to being a fan of Peter Turners work I purchased the billets volume quiet a while ago.
And I can confirm: it IS the bullet peek from Peter Turner's Billets! Don't know what to think about this, but this kinda marketing doesn't leave a very good impression to me! |
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Woodfield Special user 766 Posts
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TV Rights reserved? For a secret technique? Am I missing something?
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1624 Posts
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Interesting...So who created it, Peter Turner or Morgan Strebler?
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Dreda Veteran user 320 Posts
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Morgan Strebler, but he shared his peek in the Turner's ebook on the billets.
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Magic Life New user 84 Posts
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On May 26, 2017, SimonTheSorcerer wrote: If its exactly same as bullet pe** from billets. This is very marketing. They are really into making **** spoiling magic. Bluddy hell Magic. |
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Magic Life New user 84 Posts
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Morgan could release same effect with same name, what big loss would be.
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Lseeyou Inner circle 1275 Posts
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 Guys can't Morgan release HIS effect in pdf first than in video second? Those who are visual learners appreciate the work being released in video format. #MindInvasion #MindBlowing #UnbelievableDiscussionAtTMC |
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Max Hazy Special user 543 Posts
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On May 26, 2017, Lseeyou wrote: Agreed. No problem! But why would he call the same thing with different names, one for the PDF and one for the DVD? That's very misleading indeed. What if someone have the billets volume from Peter Turner and buy this expecting something different... personally, I think it's disrespectful to say the least. In the common market, if you have a product and change it's name, no problem... people can see exactly what the product is, what it does, how it works, etc. That's not the case in our market... there's a secret to be kept and you will only know what you get after the money is gone. It's easy to understand why the change of name was malicious. Again, disrespectful to say the least.
"Your method is in my opinion the very best way to do Q&A"
Millard Longman "Max has pushed some less known and seldom used principles a huge step forward" Jan Forster Arcane Grimoires Vol 1- http://www.maxhazy.com/arcane-grimoires/apocryphal-reach/ Arcane Grimoires Vol 2- http://www.maxhazy.com/Codex-Mentis/ |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3300 Posts
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Maybe Sans and Outlaw Effects will partner up one day.
They seem to have the same respect for the community.... 252HighlySarcastic
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Magic Life New user 84 Posts
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@252life, It seems so, the way they are marketing badly false info like a beggar ( sorry but its truth).
Morgan should claim these stupidity. Magic |
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1624 Posts
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It would have been nice if they referenced the "Bullet Peek" in the ad copy. I'm sure that most would still buy it to see the choreography and moves performed by Morgan. But SansMinds seems to care less about being honest and forthright. It's all about their bottom-line profit, which is not exactly a winning formula for fostering long-term loyal customers.
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Jheff V.I.P. 408 Posts
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Let's not quibble about a name change by a commercial magic company so that the product is more commercial. Many, many routines have been published previously before being released commercially under other names. Some you probably perform regularly. Though it would have been nice for Morgan to mention it's previous release, it wasn't necessary. It would have been more important if he had released it separately and under a different name, rather than a five page contribution to someone else's e-book series.
What should be the focus is this line from the ad blurb: "A peeking technique like no other!" Yes, this is a good peeking technique and it's certainly worth getting. The price is very fair for this. However, it's not quite original and definitely NOT "like no other"! The idea of a full card peek while the hands are in pocket watch position is not new. What's new is the technique in doing it and, really, we're talking only about what the fingers do. As an example, Richard Busch's Zen Billet (published in his PEEK ENCORES, which is now out of print) does the same thing but it's the fingers of the left hand that do the work. This is different from what Morgan uses. (Please note that my description of Richard's handling is quite vague and only specific enough to point out the difference.) Richard is only one. There have been a few others exploring this and, again, the only difference really being how that key "secret move" is accomplished. I noticed some commenting about the move being too "talky." If you use the right weight business card and prep the card, as Morgan suggests, you'll find that it makes very little noise, if any, once you practice it a bit and get it down smoothly. The bottom line is that this is good and certainly worth getting and learning. But Sansmind is out of their mind if they think this is a revolutionary idea and they shouldn't be marketing it as such. - Jheff www.MarketplaceoftheMind.com
Marketplace of the Mind PARIMENTAL, a 200 page exploration of a classic Martin Gardner principle, is now available!!
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Magic Life New user 84 Posts
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Hi Jheff,
In simple words you mean that magicians here have to waste money for the same product. We all know that many effects were released before like that, but it doesn't mean that its good to do. There are several effects which has been released before with same name but promissing with more updates, strong touch on it. That's what we support. Magic |
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Nestor D Special user France (Paris) 847 Posts
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On May 29, 2017, Magic Life wrote: The hand cover goes back to houdini and the fold has been used in other full peek such as pterodactyle : those full peeks are too close not to be credited :/ That said, that particular combinaison is original and probably the easier full peek of a folded billet that I know of. |
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Magic Life New user 84 Posts
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On May 30, 2017, Nestor D wrote: I guess you don't know and also didn't read the above post. The bullet peek from billets by Peter Turner and the mind invasion is exactly the same material, with same original creator but difference in product name. Kindly collect info before pointing someone. :) Magiclife |
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Nestor D Special user France (Paris) 847 Posts
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I read it but thought you spoke about the reference to the zen peek (and other peeks) that Jheff made above your post
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