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RayRannala New user Tampa, FL 32 Posts 
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On May 31, 2017, Will Tsai wrote: Will, I was in a room full of laymen and everybody was thoroughly entertained and baffled as was I. This was the closest to "real magic" I have ever seen. Please ignore the debate over sleight vs. mechanical method. It is the entertainment value that counts and nothing else! Bravo!!!! Ray |
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Ben Blau Inner circle 1477 Posts
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I haven't read this thread, nor do I plan to. But I want to go on record as saying that there are literally thousands of years worth of traditional approaches to conjuring that consititute the cornerstone of the mystery arts. This tradition is something special, unique, and beautiful. I'm stating this as an opinion only, but I strongly disagree with the attitude of "only the effect" matters. The traditional approach to theatrical conjuring has been a constant catalyst for innovation, cleverness, and discovery. I personally don't want to see magic become a series of Technological special effects.
I voiced this on Facebook and was seriously flamed for it. I don't plan on defending or debating my opinion, so feel free to let this anger you as much as you wish. I'm writing this because I have so much love and respect for our unique tradition, and it's a viewpoint worth considering. Ben
Ben Blau
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magicnorm Veteran user 398 Posts
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Maybe we should call Marco Tempest and tell him to knock it off. Really, a debate over a magician doing his material on AGT. Whats to debate, he rocked a-- and should be congradulated for it.
Great job Will. NM |
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Merenkov Elite user 415 Posts
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On Jun 1, 2017, Ben Blau wrote: I haven't read your entire post, nor do I intend to.  But I would bet money that you have no idea how Will Tsai performed his miracle, and that's all that matters...
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Tim Cavendish Inner circle 1387 Posts
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On Jun 1, 2017, Merenkov wrote to Ben Blau: Omar Pasha would take your money in an instant. |
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DJ Trix Inner circle 1177 Posts
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Will, don't allow peoples unresolved emotions to affect you. In these times people are trying to find resolve outside of themselves by engaging others in petty banter as they do not have the capacity to face themselves - the real work needs to be done within - as opposed to attempting to dismantle the power base of others who have the courage to follow their dreams. By putting yourself on the public stage unconscious individuals will use you as a target for their projections. Pay no mind to it.
I came to this thread for one reason. To say the following; This is perhaps the most incredible piece of magic to have ever been shown on television. Ever. I am so impressed that someone put this together. It is absolute genius. I send my sincere congratulations to you Will. I am so thrilled to see what you will share going forward. I am hooked to the show now. Thank you from my heart for inspiring me. Warmest and kindest regards to all. |
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Tim Cavendish Inner circle 1387 Posts
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A player piano is a marvel of engineering.
But it doesn't belong in a talent contest. |
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SleepyMagic Inner circle Hopefully I'll pass my exams with 1629 Posts
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On Jun 2, 2017, Tim Cavendish wrote: But the way a pianist uses it belongs in a talent competition... |
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2679 Posts
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On Jun 2, 2017, SleepyMagic wrote: Your answer would indicate you do not know what a player piano is.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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SleepyMagic Inner circle Hopefully I'll pass my exams with 1629 Posts
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On Jun 2, 2017, Steven Conner wrote: isn't it just a piano...surely a pianist will be called a piano player not player piano |
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2679 Posts
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On Jun 2, 2017, SleepyMagic wrote: No it isn't just a piano. It plays by itself.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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drawfull Veteran user qmagi.com 328 Posts
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On May 29, 2017, Merenkov wrote: That's what I got from it too. Thought process was, sleight, sleight, sleight, camera trick, camera trick, WTF! For me, was I still doing magic, or indeed a matrix-type routine, I'd have left out the visible bits, I think, but it's a stunning matrix either way. Chad Long's matrix (Boston!) is still my favourite although I don't do it nowadays. |
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3385 Posts
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DJTrix wrote:
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n these times people are trying to find resolve outside of themselves by engaging others in petty banter as they do not have the capacity to face themselves - the real work needs to be done within - as opposed to attempting to dismantle the power base of others who have the courage to follow their dreams. By putting yourself on the public stage unconscious individuals will use you as a target for their projections. Pay no mind to it. OR...They could just be people who have opinions that differ from yours. |
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SethHoward Loyal user 275 Posts
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Reading this thread reminds me why I quit hanging out with other magicians. It was an amazing effect, that's the purpose if it.
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rodc New user 13 Posts
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Ok, time to add my thoughts to one side of the debate. First off, I love when any magician is featured on tv. Because I love the art. I loved the trick right up to the point where the cover was removed. don't get me wrong, this is where people watching now have discard skill from their minds and ask themselves what is left to explain this. I have a pretty good idea how he did this trick. I prefer that cover, hand movements, props etc.. all add to the spectators thinking that it is the skill of the performer that is what is accomplishing any magic they see. Even though some illusions could never happen as ones sees it, no matter how skilled you are. There has to be a gimmick, trick table etc... to pull it off. but in my opinion it is still better when using a gimmick to give the impression that is was the magicians skill that accomplished it. I hate it, when the audience is forced into a corner with no explanation other than "ah he used a gaff, gimmick, trick table" that is not where a good performer takes people in my opinion.
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts
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1) I liked the matrix with cards. 2) I was wowed by the no-cards matrix, but the magician in me is reluctant to appreciate it, because it smacks of gimmicked table. But then I thought: people use ITR to make stuff fly. How is it different from coins disappearing and reappearing? Not much. In both case it's a gimmick, and in both cases what's happening defies the laws of physics. So, my new thoughts are: 1') I liked the matrix with cards. 2') Will set the bar high. 3) I will keep on making my magic strong so that even with SoH (which I fancy) I'll be able to leave at least similar impression on audiences who've seen Will's performance. P! |
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videoman Inner circle 6199 Posts
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On Jun 2, 2017, Ado wrote: But keep in mind Ado that when performing a Matrix routine on a stage in a large theater it is probably quite helpful to use some extra gimmickry to create a sense of wonder. Whereas, using only SOH but performing right under their noses can be extremely impactful as well. Don't underestimate how powerful an effect can be when presented live right in front of their faces. I would argue that I have witnessed many people absolutely freak out watching sponge balls appear in their hand even more so than anyone seeing Will's beautiful routine. |
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Doug Trouten Elite user Minnesota 471 Posts
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Earlier in this thread, somebody suggested Will's performance was like a musician bringing a player piano to a talent competition. I would accept that analogy with these stipulations:
1. The musician designed and built the player piano himself. 2. The player piano was used to present an original arrangement by the musician. 3. The piece performed was a duet, requiring active participation by the musician throughout. 4. Nobody had ever seen a player piano before.
It's still magic even if you know how it's done.
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drawfull Veteran user qmagi.com 328 Posts
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On Jun 3, 2017, videoman wrote: Will's was a good routine. But I agree with you. Anyone that hasn't seen Chad Long's version (loads of subtle **** going on) should check it out. Those slagging this, in a way I see why, but what I don't see why is the positioning of the camera. Had it been head on, many wouldn't be discussing gimmicked tabletops (IMO) |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts
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Just talking about the player piano thing, sounds to me it fits more in a science tech expo instead of a talent show.
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