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ByronGrey
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Anybody know where Docc Hilford and/or his website has gone to? You can PM if you wish. Thanks.

-Byron
Tony Iacoviello
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I appears to have been caught up in the cyber attack from 2 weeks ago. That attack affected ISP and data centers as well as systems in 99 countries.

Docc sent out an email saying they are working on the site and will let us know when it is back online.


Tony
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Thanks Tony! I unsubscribed from the mailing list awhile back and then when he went to ientertainer, there was no way to get back on it!
Tony Iacoviello
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It is back up now.
Goldfield
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I never received any email or replies. Always pay via PayPal so that you can get your money back.
Love the artist but dislike the poor business ethics.
The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence. Nikola Tesla, Serbian Inventor
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Thank you Peter! I think the Magic Café should have a "before you buy" page where all these business with poor/illegal ethics should be listed so people can avoid the hassle.
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This happened to me last year but from what I've read here things have not changed.
The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence. Nikola Tesla, Serbian Inventor
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I've never had any issues with Docc's site. Perhaps I've just been lucky.
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Greetings Compeers...

Although I've only done business with Docc a few times...I've never had any problems. I met Docc some years ago...and always admired his knowledge and expertise in mentalism and marketing. I received this email (I think, from him) this morning...and perhaps some of you did to...but if you're not on his email list...maybe this might help. The links aren't "live" I'm copying and pasting here...I just wanted to share with you all and hope that Docc will do right by those of you who may not have been treated fairly with your purchases.

Dr. Dan
__________________________________________________

Docc is Missing ?... Where the Heck is He?


If you're like the rest of the DHP gang, you've probably been yelling, "Where the heck is Docc Hilford?"
"He was supposed to release CLOSSO!"

First, disappearing for a month is just plain rude.
I want to apologize to you, .

I'd rather not share exactly where I was, but leave it to say that I had limited, to no, internet access.
I CAN say that I wasn't...
A) In a foreign jail,
B) In a mental institution, or
C) Hold up in a hotel room with two Dutch co-eds and a copy of Omar Khayyam.

NOW...
What about COLOSSO?
The fantastic magazine test that many of you got for free, will be uploaded some time tomorrow night.
It's truly one of my favorite pieces to perform.
And I'm sure it will be yours too.

SEE VIDEO HERE

Let's hear some more good news...
Here are THREE GREAT OFFERS to make it up to you...

1) I'll extend the Buy Anything (of $59 value) and Get COLOSSO FREE Offer.
Lots of mentalists took advantage of this offer, so I'll extend it.
PLUS...
I'm adding another BONUS effect with COLOSSO.

2) I'm OFFICIALLY Releasing BLACK FLAME.
At the HALF PRICE Offer.
For 2 Days ONLY!

CLICK HERE

3) Because the NEXT product to be released this week will be...
The Perfect Mental Club Act / "Black Herman" Upgrade,
You can get the original Perfect Mental Club ACT Pro Package

for ONLY $99!
That's $149 OFF!

CLICK HERE

Don't miss this.
You'll need the PMCA to fully understand the PMCS upgrade.
And the price will never be this low again.

Again, sorry for not checking in while checking out.

Peace,
Docc

P.S. I'm catching up on the hundreds of emails I received.
If yours are in that pile, please be patient a little bit longer.
Thanks.

P.P.S. This is a rare time when you can use a sale priced item, like PMCA to get a $99 item, like COLOSSO, for FREE!
Don't miss out.

P.P.P.S. Happy Father's Day to my fellow fathers.
It's wonderful work, if you're lucky enough to get the job.


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http://ientertainer.net/store/docc-hilford
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Docc has been nothing but ethical with me over thousands of dollars in purchases over close to a decade of time. I too admire his knowledge albeit still merely a human being with all of our common ups and downs.
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Over a month ago I made a purchase on Docc's site that entitled me to download COLOSSO, which was supposed to be available the next day. I waited two weeks and then emailed Docc but received no answer. Two weeks later I emailed a second time -- still no answer, so I opened a PayPal dispute. And get this: Although Docc ignored my emails, he quickly replied to PayPal claiming he owed me nothing since he had (supposedly) SHIPPED me the download I'd purchased! Worse, he provided PayPal a fictitious tracking number to substantiate his shipping claim.

Does that sound like someone who's "nothing but ethical"? Does that sound like someone who's "merely a human being"? I've bought nearly all of Docc's output over the years and I was shocked and thoroughly disappointed that he would treat his customers so shabbily.
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals." -- Homer Simpson
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Hank Lee treated many customers just fine, yet he also ripped off many others through mail order -- including me.

Just because somebody treats YOU well does not mean that they haven't ripped off somebody else.
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First, disappearing for a month is just plain rude.
I want to apologize to you, .
He has not replied to my email since December 2017, this is not a month Docc Hilford, it is 6 months.
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Just to let everybody know, I have just won a Paypal dispute with Docc Hilford! Thanks everybody with you help and advice!
Stunninger
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Glad to hear you got your money back through PayPal.

I am grateful for the PayPal dispute process. Rarely have I needed to use it. But when a seller does not ship an item, or does not respond to your emails, it's reassuring to know you have recourse.

A couple months back I ordered a book from a magic website I'd not done business with before. Long story short, they did not ship the item and did not respond to my e-mails inquiring about the status of my order. So I opened a PayPal dispute. The seller was very quick to respond then, and refunded my payment in full.

If a magic website does not offer PayPal as a payment option I won't do business with them.
Jonathan1000
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Good news! PayPal decided in my favor in my claim against Hilford. And this despite the fact that Hilford claimed he'd SHIPPED me the download and even provided a (fraudulent) tracking number for the "parcel". Meanwhile, he's never replied to my emails or apologized or done anything to correct his unethical behavior. Even if he really was in a car accident as he claims, that hardly justifies claiming he shipped me the download. Shame on you, Docc Hilford!!!!
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals." -- Homer Simpson
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I was a fan of both Docc Hilford and Mark Elsdon but they both went in the wrong direction. Scamming us, their trusting peers. There should at least be some mutual respect. But these two people have NO respect for their customers. To them we are only providers of money for sub quality and overpriced material. They have both lost my respect although I still love their old publications, I simply cannot trust them anymore.
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Apparently he's in full sell mode again. I'm getting emails to buy stuff to help his doctor bills. And, it appears he will be sending stuff he owes people. This whole schtick is starting to remind me of Cassidy. And, we know how well that worked out.
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He promised btw that a lot of the things I purchased from him when he released it at an early buyer price that that this price would never go down again. So much for promises. Now I feel even more cheated. I know most of his stuff isn't worth what I payed for it but I fell for his sales pitch. Now he is giving other people a discount???
Jonathan1000
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There's an internal war in my psyche right now. Part of me agrees completely with Bartelli; Hilford cheated me and then lied to PayPal about it when I asked for a refund. The other part is telling me I should have compassion for a fellow magician who's been injured and is in need. Being a mentalist, I'm pretty decent at holding two mutually contradictory POVs at the same time. Smile

Still, even if Hilford's rotator cuffs were injured in a traffic accident, it's hard to get beyond how he treated his loyal patrons.
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals." -- Homer Simpson
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