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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
He could release an effcet a week and if it was strong, no one wopuld care. But he releases alot of poor magic. Things that are only hald ideas. This Magus Capsule or whatever it was called was horrible!!!!!
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts |
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On 2004-04-18 18:47, daffydoug wrote: That's fine with me . I don't judge Jay Sankey at all . I fully support his choosing to spend more time with his family than with a bunch of magic fan boys on the internet . If anyone is to be "blamed" regarding the Just Ask Jay forum situation it is Penguin. They put up the forum and they have apparently left it up for over six months with the header reading "Every week, Jay will make a special guest appearance to answer 5-10 of the best questions." (in fact , he's made a grand total of 33 posts, averaging 1.2 questions answered per week since he's been signed on to the forum ) Penguin should take that down until such time , if ever, that he returns on a regular basis . Keep on spending more time with your family , Mr. Sankey . They are way more important . |
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niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts |
Many others like the Magus Capsule. So it couldn't be horrible.
Ergo, it doesn't suit you and that is it.
Yours,
Ivan |
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Yup! I'm getting great reactions with this piece of "junk". Hmmmm. Must be a fluke.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts |
Some people cannot understand that if they do not like something, it doesn't necessarily mean it is junk or crap.
To me NFW is JUNK. But I know many others love it. So why do I have to call it junk??
Yours,
Ivan |
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
Look at it as something that someone (maybe not you) might be able to use, or as something that might give you some ideas for an expanded effect or routine based on the Sankey trick. There have been a lot of "filler" tricks that have been published to flesh out magic books that have later turned into miracles when found and performed by the right people.
I do agree with the previous comment about the penny printed on the matchbook. It seems like it would be more effective with a copper penny actually "fused" into the matchbook, or a slightly different premise where a penny fuses into a quarter, half, etc. If this last effect were done and the coins were off-center and slightly cockeyed to one another, this could be pretty cool. Amos McCormick
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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T New user philly 8 Posts |
IS it just me , or does Sankey's perfromance style seem really annoying and grating sometimes? I don't think hes that good and have a hard time watching him get through a trick.
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
It's you T. Sankey, though releasing some bad tricks, is still a great performer.
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cardman1990 Regular user 194 Posts |
Look, Jays OK but I think that what he did was unfair. When he decided to only sell his effects at a low price exclusively to Penguin, what happens to the dealers that purchased his effects for a higher price, now they are kind of screwed because everyone can get Sankey's stuff on Penguin for a low price.
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martyk Loyal user 275 Posts |
Well, many moons ago I expressed my disappointment in Sankey's stuff, not Sankey. One like to at last think that a trick has been tried, used over and over again, polished, and then released. It used to be that way. Vernon's stuff was guaranteed, so were mos tof the big names of the past. In late night Convention corridors one would throw out ideas, get reactions etc,BUT,money was hard come by and few reputable dealers could afford to gamble reputatiions on just untried ideas. A LOT of Sankey's stuff is, "hey, here's an idea", "here's a cute thought" etc. Often, neither nice nor cute. MK
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niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts |
I don't think that simple tricks can be called just ideas. Jay Sankey's magic is direct, visual and simple, both for magician and audience.
I am not saying that he hasn't got half baked ideas, because he himself states so in his DVDs or videos. But these are the minority. You cannot call effects like, Stirring Silver, Airtight, In A Flash, Carbon Copy, Signed Singed and Delivered, Measles Deck, Transfusion, Astral Projection, 3 Ring Circus and many others, just ideas. On the other hand, ideas push us to create rather than have everything laid for us. I own Quarks and Quirks by Ben Harris and that is why I like it a lot. It gives a couple of concepts together with a few effects using them, and then leaves you to think of other ways to use them for your own effects.
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kihei kid Inner circle Dog House 1039 Posts |
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On 2004-04-20 19:08, T wrote: No its not just you, I love how Jay teaches an effect, I think he is funny and I enjoy his insight when it comes to magic. However when it comes to performance he is not my cup of tea either.
In loving memory of Hughie Thomasson 1952-2007.
You brought something beautiful to this world, you touched my heart, my soul and my life. You will be greatly missed. Until we meet again “my old friend”. |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
You may or may not like Sankey's performance style, but he has some serious chops.
Sometimes he uses subtlety instead of sleights, which in some ways is better. I personally think he is a scream, I sometimes start laughing just thinking about his video "Jay Sankey Live" He also has a few books out on standup comedy which are really brilliant. Many insights into his world. Just my two Sankeys, James Linn ps Jay Sankey Live,Jay Sankey Live,Jay Sankey Live,Jay Sankey Live,Jay Sankey Live,Jay Sankey Live,Jay Sankey Live...Jay Sankey Liiiiiiiiivvvee! Quote: On 2004-04-20 19:08, T wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
Sankey tries to spice things up by using the voices and impersonations.
He could just talk in a monotone, and never change his inflection, but then guys would complain about THAT, and say they don't like to watch him because he's boring. Just can't win for losing, can he? Maybe I better watch myself, because I love to do voices in my routines. You know, Bugs, Daffy, Bullwinkle, Jimmy Stewart, etc. I suppose I am in for a bashing someday.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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Jeff J. Special user Connecticut 787 Posts |
Daff, check out http://www.dwayneandrew.com/night.html and you may want to rethink the impersonations (unless you can do them well)
You should check out the thread on him....it's a blast |
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T New user philly 8 Posts |
I compare Sankey to William Chung, very bad. This weird, no personality person is not doing anything good for magic. His presentations are all so much like a kindergarten beginner.
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niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts |
Then I wonder how many like his presentation and many more his effects. I wonder.
Yours,
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Quite frankly, I have no problem with Jay putting out as much stuff as he wants or thinks the market will bear. Sure some stuff might be considered weak by some but, I'm always reminded that one man's trash is another man's treasure. And besides, this is classic capitlaism at work. If you don't want it or think it is worth the money (or may not be worth the money), don't buy it. nd that attitude and freedom becomes a double-edged sword for Jay (and Penguin).
That said, I do have a problem with his recent regurgitation of so much material being released by him these days. And, because Jay releases so much stuff, I have a nagging doubt raised in my mind that he may be releasing similar effects with minor variations in presentation or handling, that he must be releasing some weak and weaker effects and/or that he must be releasing duplicate material (i.e., such as Paper-Clipped). Other than Paper-Clipped, I don't have any definitive proof that such concerns actually, in fact, exist. owever, I also don't have the time or money to do an empirical analysis of everything he has put out before I buy something. For instance, just look at the many Sankey videos out there. I mean we have "The Very Best of Jay Sankey", "45", "22 Blows to the Head", etc., etc., etc. What's the best one? Any duplicate materials? Any with improved handlings? Which came out first? Which came out last? So, not knowing which to buy, many people procrastinate or are frozen in indecision and inaction. For the record, I do own "The Very Best of Sankey", "Paper-clipped", and "3-Ring Circus". Very good material on all three and I especially love "Paper-Clipped" and the 3-Ring Circus" DVD. On the 3-Ring Circus DVD are some additional routines (including an impromptu OOTW routine) that are really very good. In sum, I look at buying Sankey material as analogous to cleaning out the basement or the garage? Where do you begin? What do you do (buy) first? Next? After that? I'm just so overwhelmed by the choices, I just shrug my shoulders and put it off for another day. Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
I'm that way about alot of magic these days. The choices are overwhelming at times.
But with sankey, I pretty much try to get it all, just because I like his style and weirdness.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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niva Inner circle Malta (Europe) 2970 Posts |
Same here.
Yours,
Ivan |
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