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Jaime Pirnie
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I saw a product called "Skinner's Edge Card Cream" on http://www.themagicwarehouse.com and wondered if anyone here had used it before. Is this just like a standard cream that you would put on your hands to grip the cards better? I wouldn't think it would go on the cards, but who knows.

Someone recommended "Working Hands Cream" to me a number of weeks ago so I bought a tiny amount of it to try it out. It seems to work ok. I'm not sure if it leaves any residue on the cards though.

Has anyone used this "Skinner's Edge Card Cream"? If you have, how do you like it and do you have any gripes about it?

Do any of you have any secret lotions and/or creams that work well for you? Since I've only tried the Working Hands Cream I don't have anything to compare it against so I can't have an opinion at this point.

Thanks for any suggestions anyone might have..
-Jaime
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I think some talcum powder on the hands before a performance is nice, to dry them out and leave them quite soft and supple for card work.

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The skinner item is simply Quicksort (available at any office supply store for less than a buck) with a different label on the lid. It's the stuff bank tellers use to get their fingers tacky so that they can count bills quickly, easily and accurately, and it's pretty beneficial for getting breaks, thumb counts, pinky counts, pinky pulldowns, etc.
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I use a mixture of glycerin & rose water, available at any Walgreens drug store or the like.

I put the mixture in a small, lipstick-size atomizer (also purchased at the drugstore). Makes for easy, and rather classy-looking, transport in my close-up briefcase.
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Hm, I'll have to hit Walgreens and try some of that stuff out. I went to Bartel's Drug Store (I think its a Northwest chain) and they didn't have anything like that. I'll check out Walgreens though. Thanks for the suggestion.

Now that I think about it, did you buy rosewater and the glycerin in separate bottles and mix it yourself or was this something that was already mixed together in its own product?
-Jaime
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You can get it both ways. Try a Rite-Aid or Walgreen's. If you can't locate it, ask the pharmacist--he'll know where it is. As a former Seattlite and Tacoman, I know you can get it up there.
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Tacoman... heh Smile
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I tried using Quick-Sort, but the stuff turns rancid after a few weeks. I prefer "Corn Husker's Lotion". It gives a good grip, doesn't affect the cards like an oil based lotion will and it doesn't turn rancid.
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Ed Marlo always used a product called Chamberlain's Golden Touch Lotion. It's by far the best stuff I've ever used to solve dry hand problems. Also, it doesn't make the cards stick together.

It's not easy to find, however.

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Mike,

Tom Gagnon let me try some of the lotion that Marlo used. It works great on reducing the sweat on the palms. I'm reluctant to use it because it is alcohol-based and I already have a problem with cracking skin, during the colder months. However, it gave me a grip that nothing else did.
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Ed Marlo always used a product called Chamberlain's Golden Touch Lotion. It's by far the best stuff I've ever used to solve dry hand problems. Also, it doesn't make the cards stick together.

It's not easy to find, however.

Dai Vernon and Frank Garcia are two other notable card men who made good use of Golden Touch. It's certainly the best solution I've found.

It can be difficult to find, though those of us in California can generally get it at Long's, a major drugstore chain, where a 12-oz bottle (which will last for a long time) sells for under $5.

You can also order directly from the company, at 1-800-449-1422.

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along with cornhuskers the great card expert Richard Turner recommended using Baby Lotion which I find works great for me. You can buy a little bottle at any supermarket for under 3 bucks. Give it a try!
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These are all great suggestions. I'll have to do some hunting and see what I can turn up!

Thanks again everyone!
-Jaime
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Golden tears, anybody?

A lot depends on your hands, too.

Some people have very moist hands, so something to dry them out is needed.

If you are like me, on the other hand (horrible pun, I know), you have hands more like death valley than a rain forrest.

I used Kwik Sort for a while, but now I have been using Neutrogena Norwegian Formula Hand cream. I am a big fan of it. It keeps my second dealing crisp for a lot longer than kwik sort does.

I tried many different things, this one happened to work for me. YOu may have to try different things before finding the right one for you.
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I read throught all of the posts here on this subject, and I would like to add what I have found to be the best.
It is called
Zims Crack Creme, It is a clear lotion You can find it in most Rx locations. You only need between three and four drops. It feels greasy at first, but after about a minute it goes away, then you have the texture to handle cards so unbelievably well it is incredible.
I hope you try it I have tried all of the above with very little success, I have extremely dry hands however. thank you Smile
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About Skinner’s Edged Card Crème

I am one of two old friends of Michael’s who are responsible for bringing Skinner’s Edge Card Crème to market. I’ve read numerous posts about the product over time and thought it might be time to clear a few things up.

First of all, this product in not Sort-Kwik. It is made by the same company that makes Sort-Kwik, Lee Products in the Twin Cities. It is a different formulation that contains other ingredients that are better suited for skin care that Sort-Kwik. It was called Paper Crème and I don’t think the company markets it any longer as such.

Michael was religious about this stuff, always carrying a container in his sock so that, when called upon to perform, he would excuse himself to “wash-up” and then be ready to blow us all away.

He feared that the stuff might become unavailable, and since I live the Twin Cities, I would purchase cases of the stuff to send to him to allay his fears.

After his passing, John Deems and I decided to explore approaching the Lee Products company with the idea of repackaging the product under Michael’s name. This was an effort on our part to keep Mike’s name alive and as a tribute.

It turned out that the company had no problem with this idea, in that it was a regular practice of theirs. The same product was already repackaged and sold as both an aid for folks in the commercial lighting industry for a sure grip on light bulbs and, of all things imaginable, a solution for dog show people as a means to reduce paw slippage on indoor floors for their pets in the show.

We chose a slightly smaller container (the same package they use for Sort-Kwik) in an effort to make the item easier to carry and conceal. I think Michael would have really appreciated the lighter load.

The project was never intended to make much money, with no advertising budget beyond a simple web site (www.legerdomain.com). This has proved to be true with the sales thus far, doing little more than covering production and distribution costs. The product sells the best in England but all told it has only done well enough to keep out of pocket expenses for the project to a minimum. This is exactly what it was designed to do. Nobody’s making any money here, but Michael’s name (and photograph) is kept alive and circulating.

Sort-Kwik, a great product for fingertip moistening, is not the same product as Skinner’s Edge Card Crème and does not have all of the benefits and nor does it perform as well as this product. I am hoping to stop these rumors, not necessarily to stop folks from using it or to drive them to by our Card Crème, but rather to stem the tide of misinformation so the integrity of Mike’s preferred formula can be maintained. There is actually a Magic vendor in Canada who is re-labeling Sort-Kwik as a counterfeit product.

We are not asking you to buy or use Skinner’s Edge Card Crème, but please, don’t mistake it for other similar products. We know, because of the way we are having it produced, coupled with the normal margins in the Magic distribution and dealer community, that it sells for more than the office products discussed. It lasts a long time and we believe it is well worth the price charged. This is America and as a free market society you can buy it or not.

The main point is that there are no scams here; no one is trying to rip you off. We offer the product as a tribute to Michael Skinner’s memory. I am writing this all out in an effort to straighten out the misconceptions about the product. The whole project makes very little sense if it causes feelings of being bilked by the Magic Community.

It is what it is. If you use it you will see in it what Mike saw, a remarkably helpful tool for card and coin manipulation. I am aware that many magicians feel this sort of thing is unnecessary and I can also attest to the fact that one (including Mike Skinner himself) could become dependant on the product, lacking the confidence to perform without it. I use it and benefit from it whenever I perform, but there are no implied requirements here.

I welcome any questions or comments although I do hope this explanation puts this small controversy to sleep.

Have a great day,
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I found the Chamberlain's Golden Touch lotion on line at:

http://www.westburyonline.com

It's not all that expensive, and it works great for me.

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NCO, I need this skinners creme.. No shops in uk can source it.

Is it still being produced? I can't do my love of cards without it, I've sent you a PM.

Many thanks, warren
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Warren: It's apparently still sold through these folks:

http://www.legerdomain.com/seccp.htm

At the same time, I'll throw in a vote for glycerin with about 10% alcohol to thin it out. The rosewater is used to lessen the odor of the glycerin. I quit using the rosewater after a couple of years. I thought the rosey smell was worse than the the plain glycerin. YMMV.

These 2 simple ingredients are dirt cheap and available virtually anywhere in the world with no shipping or tariffs. For a container, I used an plastic, empty eyedrops bottle which I marked over with a Sharpie. Anything water-tight will work, of course.

Note: Glycerin is the main ingredient in about every commercial product mentioned in this thread. Most, if not all of them, also contain alcohol as the thinner. The rest of the ingredients are mostly fragrances and preservatives.

The one thing mentioned above that makes no sense is "baby lotion". I raised three kids and the only baby lotion I know of is oil-based. I would never use anything oil-based for handling cards or coins!
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Some time ago, on another thread, someone recommended buying a small bottle of glycerin from the baking section of a supermarket. This works very well for coins, but I'm not sure about using it on cards; when I tried it, it left a sticky mark, but perhaps I should have let it dry for longer.

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