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Found myself spending the morning on this odd little site. As a designer I was interested in the typography mentions, but the stories are much more interesting than that. I hope you like...

https://typesetinthefuture.com
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That was some interesting stuff. Thanks for posting
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P.K. Dick was a genius. Ridley Scott is an arrogant jackwagon. Deckard is human. Period.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Deckard was a replicant.
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And so it goes. This question regarding Deckard may never be answered...which is cool by me. Keep it a mystery.

Deeper into the sci-fi void, P.K. Dick, like Gene Roddenberry, were visionaries I think. P. K. Dick's future will probably be part of our future I'm guessing, though probably late in coming according to the films' timelines. But synthetic beings going off-world? I think we could probably imagine this being a real scenario relatively soon, whether we agree with the moral implications or not.
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On Jul 21, 2017, imgic wrote:
Deckard was a replicant.


My question on this is; if Deckard was a replicant, how could he be an "ex-police officer" who has to be coaxed into taking on "one more case."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner

If he was a replicant and his length of duty was done, why wasn't HE "retired" the way he "retired" other replicants? Why was he still alive?
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Perhaps they are programmable? He was not retired, he was reassigned?

I also look back on sci-fi timelines and am blown away by how hopeful post industrial revolution society was of the future, and the accelerated timeline they assigned for our world's advancement. I remember feeling the optimism as a youth in the '60s. I think everyone thought that 2000 would be the new age of enlightenment and technology, where the turbulence and war of the first half of hte 20th century would be left far behind.

Just look at your wikipedia link as an example...Philip K. Dick wrote his novel in 1968 about a dystopian future of 2019. It is now 2017 and aside from advancements in healthcare, transportation, and the evolution of computers and communication, the world looks and feels pretty much the same. No flying cars. No replicants. No off-world colonies. Perhaps by 2219 at the rate we're going.
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The point of Deckard vs replicants is that he is suffering an internal moral dilemma arising not from the question whether he himself is a replicant, rather whether the replicants--having been given the requisite human traits--have become human.

In other words, Deckard is a human who may be a replicant, and the replicants are replicants who may be human. His job is to terminate them, but it feels more and more like murder to him. Tension ensues.

That's the story as I have always understood it.
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He's Dick's character, and Dick said he was human.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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As a "hot metal" compositor and typesetter by trade, I thank you for this interesting link ...
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Deckard was a replicant.


His wife didn't think so. But using a machine to tell if the other person is a slave is ...sad.
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As a "hot metal" compositor and typesetter by trade, I thank you for this interesting link ...


That's awesome!!! Glad to see that this art is still alive.
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He's Dick's character, and Dick said he was human.

So either he's human or else Dick's a liar.
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I admit, it does seem rather odd to say that he's not a replicant because his (human) creator said so.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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It gets even more interesting when you look at the novel of that name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bladerunner

See the ending of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czRsltWGhw0

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He's Dick's character, and Dick said he was human.

So either he's human or else Dick's a liar.


Did P.K.Dick play the unreliable narrator game in his other stories?
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But no one has addressed my point: Nexus Six replicants (in the movie) are human.

I could give many examples, but the best is when Deckard says about Rachel, "She doesn't know."

If you don't know that you aren't human, the you are.

Let's put it another way: a human being is someone who claims to be a human being.
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But no one has addressed my point: Nexus Six replicants (in the movie) are human.

I could give many examples, but the best is when Deckard says about Rachel, "She doesn't know."

If you don't know that you aren't human, the you are.

My goldfish doesn't know that it isn't human.

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Let's put it another way: a human being is someone who claims to be a human being.

Has that philosophy been extended species-wide already? I guess in the 21st century, if you call a tail a leg, then a cow has five legs.
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My goldfish doesn't know that it isn't human.


Go ask it and get back to me.

But seriously, Lobo, it sounds like you're arguing a point with me, and not the movie. I'm not sayingwhat I myself think about the nature of humanness; I saying that I interpret the movie to be expressing the idea of humanness as a claim.

Pris says, "I think, Sebastian, therefore I am." So she is. Is what? She's claiming equality with conscious, memory-holding human beings.

I myself do *not* think that memory is the one attribute that distinguishes human beings from other living beings; nor do I assume anything hierarchical about the claim to being human. But I think the movie is saying that.

And a confession: I haven't read Dick's story in thirty years. I guess I should return to it.
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On Jul 23, 2017, wulfiesmith wrote:
As a "hot metal" compositor and typesetter by trade, I thank you for this interesting link ...


I used to be a photo-typesetter, Compuwritwr IV, CRTronic before moving up to a Power Mac. This is fascinating stuff.
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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